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Old 12-09-2011 | 03:15 PM
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High Mileage 2008 Turbo – Is This Deal OK?

Your help is appreciated. Never had a Cayenne but I want one. I do own a 1981 928 (for about 20-years now) so I have enough experience with Porsche to know they are expensive to maintain.

I’m considering a 2008 turbo with 65K miles from the original owner for $44,000. The car has always been serviced and maintained by a local Porsche dealership, and I’ve spoken with the dealership service manager and he confirms the car has always been well maintained. The car does not have PDCC, which I’d like, but otherwise it is fairly well optioned and it drives very nice. As reference the original MSRP was just under $110,000. I’d like some feedback;
Ø The price seems good but is this too many miles?
Ø How many miles are they good for?
Ø Should I hold out for a car w/PDCC?
Ø What do I need to know?
 
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My 05 Turbo with mods, all service done including coolant pipes for $28,999 with 79k is a better deal and probably more reliable in the long run. Just saying
 
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Originally Posted by dancingbears
Your help is appreciated. Never had a Cayenne but I want one. I do own a 1981 928 (for about 20-years now) so I have enough experience with Porsche to know they are expensive to maintain.

I’m considering a 2008 turbo with 65K miles from the original owner for $44,000. The car has always been serviced and maintained by a local Porsche dealership, and I’ve spoken with the dealership service manager and he confirms the car has always been well maintained. The car does not have PDCC, which I’d like, but otherwise it is fairly well optioned and it drives very nice. As reference the original MSRP was just under $110,000. I’d like some feedback;
Ø The price seems good but is this too many miles?
Ø How many miles are they good for?
Ø Should I hold out for a car w/PDCC?
Ø What do I need to know?
Price is ok , I just bought an 08 with 44K miles for 51K. Ive put a few thousand on it since and it seems flawless. The brakes have about 60% life in them front and 30% life back but I bought a replacement set from Sunset Porsche in Oregon (368mm calipers for our CTT ) for around 400 bucks pads, sensors and hardware kit. This was the best deal I could find in the country. Ill change them myself when the sensor goes off. Also changed the oil on it first thing and its straight forward. 8mm hex for the drain plug and it took 9 quarts of 0-40 mobile one. I found it at Oreillys auto parts and they sold it to me for 5.99 a qt. Wal-mart in my area also carries it for 6.49. I also bought Dot4 brake fluid and replaced the brake fluid. Next will be the transmission fluid and differential fluid.

I think if the truck your considering has a clean maintenance history then its proved its self as a good truck with 65K and with normal preventative maintenance it should give you another trouble free 65K. Thats what im hoping because this is my first Porsche and I have no Idea how well they do when they approach 100K. I see alot of 955's with over 100K on this forum so..., I know Porsche made improvements over the 955 on our 957. Im impressed with it.
 
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Appreciate the replies thus far, but two areas I'd really like feedback on are;
1) Why do you never see Cayenne’s (base or turbo) with 150K – 250K miles? These are precision built highly engineered cars, and if not abused and properly maintained it would seem they should run for 300K? Even Chevy and Dodge easily achieve that these days. I asked a SF Bay Area Porsche service manager that question and he responded that he’d just never seen one with more than 125K - and there are a ton of CTTs in the Bay Area.
2) I’d really like PDCC; it is clearly an improvement to handling so should I hold out for it?. Are there any significant maintenance or breakdown susceptibility issues associated with it? Does PDCC rob any power from the engine… it just seems that the cars I’ve driven w/PDCC have slightly less acceleration feel when floored? Or is it just the extra weight of 4-hydralic motors I feel? Do the PDCC hydralics make a noticeable hum or whine – seems like I hear this? Should I not hear this?
 
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Originally Posted by dancingbears
Appreciate the replies thus far, but two areas I'd really like feedback on are;
1) Why do you never see Cayenne’s (base or turbo) with 150K – 250K miles? These are precision built highly engineered cars, and if not abused and properly maintained it would seem they should run for 300K? Even Chevy and Dodge easily achieve that these days. I asked a SF Bay Area Porsche service manager that question and he responded that he’d just never seen one with more than 125K - and there are a ton of CTTs in the Bay Area.
2) I’d really like PDCC; it is clearly an improvement to handling so should I hold out for it?. Are there any significant maintenance or breakdown susceptibility issues associated with it? Does PDCC rob any power from the engine… it just seems that the cars I’ve driven w/PDCC have slightly less acceleration feel when floored? Or is it just the extra weight of 4-hydralic motors I feel? Do the PDCC hydralics make a noticeable hum or whine – seems like I hear this? Should I not hear this?
I'll answer question #1 - The first Cayennes came out in 2003...Only 8 years ago. To have 150k+ miles it would have to be driven 20k per year or more. Most people driving that many miles per year would opt for something much more economical in maintenance and fuel costs. Just my opinion...
 
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Old 12-10-2011 | 08:24 PM
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I can answer question #1 also. I think ez1973 is on track, but I have spoken with a service specialist at the porsche dealership in Wichita (I think) who says he personally drives an 04 Cayenne with over 200 K miles on it. We were discussing the pros and cons of the Cayenne vs an Acura (his dealership sells both), and he told me I'd spend 1/10 on maintenance with an Acura that I'll spend on the Porsche. But, he said people don't name their Acuras. Then he told me he has the Cayenne with 200K miles on it and said he wouldn't trade it for the world.
 
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I'll answer your PDCC question.

For me I wouldn't buy without it. The thinking you're not feeling acceleration is because the front and rear and side sways are reduced with this option. Car feels more level and maybe feels less acceleration, but acceleration time isn't reduced by this option. It's a fantastic option and I would build or buy resale without it.
 
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65k is high miles?




You have not looked very hard have you?

There are several owners with 200-250k+ . Look around rennlist and renntech.

The real answer is that the Cayenne is used more as a do it all driver than as an enthusiast vehicle at this point. So most of the owners just don't visit forums. They are out there, not in here.

I would bet that most on here these days are near the 100k mark anyway. I am and love my Cayenne, but hardly drive it with 7 other vehicles to suck up my time. Which may also be the case with some Cayenne owners,we have multiple cars.
 
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I have an 04 Cayenne S and it has over 107,000 miles on it and is my daily driver/grocery getter/kid hauler/occasional tension reliever thanks to its excellent capabilities, etc. and I've owned it a year. I love it! At my last service (oil change) my indy mechanic (who specializes in German autos) said I could easily get another hundred or 200,000 additional miles out of her if I keep her maintained and that it's the best SUV out there even compared to the X5. I have no doubts that it can do it. Not bad, I'd say.

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Originally Posted by ez1973
I'll answer question #1 - The first Cayennes came out in 2003...Only 8 years ago. To have 150k+ miles it would have to be driven 20k per year or more. Most people driving that many miles per year would opt for something much more economical in maintenance and fuel costs. Just my opinion...
I suppose that makes sense; add to that, many cayenne’s are originally purchased under a lease and that will compel you to stay within the yearly mileage limits of the lease. Then second owners still need to justify those maintenance costs. Even in my case, a cayenne would be a fifth car (with just the wife and I), so there would likely be only limited use with us too.
 
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i had pdcc on my turbo - liked it but it did tend to disconnect the driving experience even more.

i wouldn't pass on a one with PDCC, but i so to i woudn't pass on one w/o it if it was otherwise a good machine
 
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Old 12-15-2011 | 08:29 PM
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i have a 2008 ctt just hit 60,000 spent more time in the shop then driving for the last 5,000 miles..... drive shaft, steering problems, front control arm issues, numerous trim items falling off, error lights,pano roof leak, then wind noise issues, tach screen replaced. if it was not under CPO it would have been sold.... i love the car too much but my wife wants it gone! just a heads up. we have had it since 30,000 miles and i take very good care of our cars.
 
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All the feedback is very helpful... please keep it coming.
 
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65K is not high I look like a good deal
 
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Old 12-17-2011 | 10:06 PM
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Most Cayennes with high miles are exported out of the country just like the Rovers, GL and ML Mercedes.
 


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