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Old 12-28-2014 | 09:03 AM
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Help! How to lift Cayenne?

I'm looking for a 05-08 Cayenne to buy as a daily driver and for off roading. Not full on rock crawling, but just about everything else. I explore the deserts and mountains. I also plan to use the Cayenne for some mild desert races. They have a few that are not technical on graded roads. High speed runs that are similar to Rally in terrain, not the whooped out Baja stuff. Mind you, I will be doing these for fun, not trying to compete. Maybe even try a rally race or even Pikes Peak Hillclimb. For $15-$18k, I don't think there is another vehicle made that could do all of these things with the performance that the V8 Cayenne brings to the table. So I've contracted the Cayenne fever. It seems to be a very versatile high performance vehicle.

I was sold on the Turbo with Air Suspension bc I thought I could set it in the highest max setting and put on 34" or 35" tires on it and be done. Then as a bonus, I also thought I could then use it for track days by lowering it and swapping out the off road wheels for a lower profile track set up. This is what really attracts me to the CTT w/Air Suspension. However, it is becoming clear to me that there is no way to lock the Air Suspension into the max high setting full time. It will always lower as the vehicle speed changes. I want to lock it and not have it move. I've been told about "lowering modules" that could possibly be used in reverse to lock it in the highest setting??? Haven't seen anyone use a module in this way.

So now I turn to the CS with normal steel springs. It seems pretty simple to just buy taller steel springs and shocks/struts to lift it like you would any normal vehicle. However I have yet to see anyone do this or find a source for a lift kit. Is there an issue that prevents a traditional suspension/spring lift??? I like this route so as not to have the worry of dealing with a potential Air Suspension or Turbo related failures. I think the non Turbo V8 will still kick plenty of ***...

I'm aware of spacer type lifts, but do not wish to go that route bc I don't like the ride that is produced by the increase in preload and loss of travel. I've done this on two previous vehicles and was not satisfied.

I'm aware of the Transsyberia model, and would love to purchase one, but they are very rare and will be expensive.

Can someone point me in a direction where I can find some answers??

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Well RenaissanceMan sent me this link for a 30mm (1.25") suspension lift for a Touareg. http://www.seikel.de/en/products/seikel-vw-touareg/

So that is somewhat promising. It means at least that it seems to be technically possible to do a regular coil over suspension lift, just that there is only 2 of us wanting taller a Cayenne. Ha.
 

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Check this thread out, you just need to do the opposite and go up.


https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...etric-diy.html
 
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Ive thought about rally-crossing mine. Seems like it could be a blast I've also thought about track days, but not sure how it would go over with the other participants having a huge SUV blocking the view ahead... Also mine understeers like nothing else even at what I consider "sane" speeds on the highway on and off ramp loops... Just plows straight ahead like a bulldozer, its scared me a couple of times, enough that I stopped playing on those type of ramps.


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Check this thread out, you just need to do the opposite and go up.


https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...etric-diy.html
It will still go back down depending on speed, which depending on tire clearance could be a problem.
 
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Yep, all my research today leads me to believe that the links, modules, and Durametric will accomplish the lifting, just as it does the lowering. However, it will not lock it in place. Which may or may not be an issue with larger tires. I'm trying to do at least 33". I'm convinced that a 31" and probably a 32" will work just fine. I'm on the fence as to what to do. I could cut away the fender liner and trim whatever I need to make it fit, but then I shrink the market for resale dramatically.

The steel spring Cayenne S is still an option, although it kills the versatility for the track. I plan to call around to some off road suspension shops like Icon, King, Fox, etc.. to see if they have a shock already made that we could modify the mounting points to work. King recently did just that for a 2nd Gen Sequoia with IRS. Came out well. I just need to find the specs on the OEM shocks and struts. Springs are no issue, I can pretty much have any size made cheaply.
 
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If it helps, I am lowered on 31.4" diameter wheels at low ride height. So on normal ride height, 32-33" wheels shouldn't be an issue. I think you might be overthinking this a little.

A stock spring Cayenne sits REALLY high. I would be surprised if you couldn't do 33"-34" tires. No guarantees though
 
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You mean a stock STEEL spring Cayenne sits really high?
 
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You mean a stock STEEL spring Cayenne sits really high?
Yep. The air suspension Cayennes do not have springs or coilovers separate from the air shock tower; it is a more all-in-one design.

 
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Yes I see. Thanks for your effort.

Arnott said they don't make any coil overs that lift the Cayenne. I'm sure they have the components (longer shock/strut for another vehicle) to do it, but the rep talking to me didn't seem interested in trying to look and see.
 
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I can go almost anywhere with the OEM Air ride.

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I wonder how much you could raise it using the Durametric though? I understand the suspension will lower above a certain speed. It should only lower to the pre-set level though right (normal-low?) ? Not sure if the computer will let you, but if you set the low level high enough and leave it there you should be good to go.

Would be worth experimenting. Then if you want to set it lower for a track day or normal driving just lower it back down. Seems like it would work but again, I have no idea how much you can change the levels with the Durametric.
 
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Cayenne and touaregs all cap after a 2.5 inch strut spacer. It's been hammered out.

Going any higher in lift attempts pinches the dual piece drive shaft.

I have ran 32's/33's on my steel suspension without any lift.

You should do the following if you get steel.
Great shocks,
Turbo S control arms for durability
2.5 spacer,
BF Goodrich's ATM.

Cole is the main hacker of his Turbo with offroad setup....and has Offroad Magazine experience....he'll be here shortly I bet .

Then just point and go and have the gear to pull your *** out of trouble.
 
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Shoot, I'll be happy with even an inch or two higher. Are the spacers all custom like I've seen with the Touaregs? Or is someone actually making a kit? I am running steel.
 
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Originally Posted by Max_O
Shoot, I'll be happy with even an inch or two higher. Are the spacers all custom like I've seen with the Touaregs? Or is someone actually making a kit? I am running steel.
Yes they are custom after one of them milled them out and still sells them. You can sneak over to Club Touareg and find the intel on ordering a set of 4. He specifically has steel and verified it's the same steel as a Cayenne.

The guy did a few thousand mile test and you can read the thread and feedback.

http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f6...res-78250.html
 

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Here are pictures from some of his builds and others he sold lifts too
 
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