Installed EVOMsit on my CTT...
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10-06-2011 | 05:53 PM
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Installed EVOMsit on my CTT...
Big thanks to Alex@sharkwerks for getting a speedy delivery to me. Got my module via FedEx yesterday. Took about five minutes to install this AM.
Followed the instructions about cycling the car, warming up, etc...Then holy hell. Wow! The vehicle was fast before, but now it is insane. More immediate throttle response, more delivery in the power band. No official dyno of course, but this thing is really livened up with this mod.
Big, big recommendation on this product!
Thanks again Alex!
Jason
Followed the instructions about cycling the car, warming up, etc...Then holy hell. Wow! The vehicle was fast before, but now it is insane. More immediate throttle response, more delivery in the power band. No official dyno of course, but this thing is really livened up with this mod.
Big, big recommendation on this product!
Thanks again Alex!
Jason
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10-07-2011 | 09:35 AM
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Yes. "Porsche Watch Dog", if run by the dealer, will pick up if you've tampered with your ECU. It doesn't do any good to pull one in and out. Your counters will still be off along with other detectable data. I was told the same thing by a well known tuner. Well it showed up.
Just ask either one of them to come post on this thread and claim there is no possible way their tune will be detected, bet you it won't happen
Hopefully you won't have anything happen to trigger such a search. Most likely you won't due to the conservativeness and knowledge of those doing the tune. It would have to be a catastrophic failure, likely not caused by the tune, in which would have occurred anyway. To my knowledge the CTT's motors have been reliable out of the factory. Early 996 TT's, now that's another story...
Just ask either one of them to come post on this thread and claim there is no possible way their tune will be detected, bet you it won't happen
Hopefully you won't have anything happen to trigger such a search. Most likely you won't due to the conservativeness and knowledge of those doing the tune. It would have to be a catastrophic failure, likely not caused by the tune, in which would have occurred anyway. To my knowledge the CTT's motors have been reliable out of the factory. Early 996 TT's, now that's another story...
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10-07-2011 | 12:47 PM
Yes. "Porsche Watch Dog", if run by the dealer, will pick up if you've tampered with your ECU. It doesn't do any good to pull one in and out. Your counters will still be off along with other detectable data. I was told the same thing by a well known tuner. Well it showed up.
Just ask either one of them to come post on this thread and claim there is no possible way their tune will be detected, bet you it won't happen
Hopefully you won't have anything happen to trigger such a search. Most likely you won't due to the conservativeness and knowledge of those doing the tune. It would have to be a catastrophic failure, likely not caused by the tune, in which would have occurred anyway. To my knowledge the CTT's motors have been reliable out of the factory. Early 996 TT's, now that's another story...
Just ask either one of them to come post on this thread and claim there is no possible way their tune will be detected, bet you it won't happen
Hopefully you won't have anything happen to trigger such a search. Most likely you won't due to the conservativeness and knowledge of those doing the tune. It would have to be a catastrophic failure, likely not caused by the tune, in which would have occurred anyway. To my knowledge the CTT's motors have been reliable out of the factory. Early 996 TT's, now that's another story...
It sounds like you are quite sure about this, and I don't doubt it, but we have never had an issue. We have sold many of these modules and the response is very positive. Furthermore, we have had a few customers remove their modules before taking the car in for warranty work and the information was not detected.
However, the best story is of one of our customers who needed to bring his car in to have is ECU replaced under warranty(unrelated to tune - was notified by VIN). He didn't even remove the module and the P dealer didn't say anything! Of course, your relationship with the service adviser can help in these situations.
I just wanted to chime in because this is one of the best products for the 2011+ Cayenne TT and 2010 Panamera TT!
Jeff
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10-07-2011 | 02:38 PM
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Hi Jeff,
The only way you'll have a problem is if Porsche asks the tech to run the "PWD" program. It doesn't automatically run when you hook up the scan tool. The tampering will definitely show up if they do. Fortunately PCNA doesn't ask for this very often especially if they're working with a respected long time tech/dealership who doesn't have a record of turning in a lot of bs claims.
The problem comes when you have a catastrophic engine and/or tranny failure not necessarily related to the the tune. I had two engine failures and two 2nd gear tranny failures several years ago. One was an X50 motor which costs 50K plus. Luckily the cars weren't modded and both under CPO warranty. In one of the cases the "PWD" program was requested. If it had been modded then there would have been trouble. On two of my other GIAC modded cars, I hooked them up just to see if "PWD" would pick it up and in both cases it did. Of course I was "guaranteed" there was no way it would
Like I said the CTT's seem to be pretty stable with good headroom, and the tune quite conservative, so probably won't be a problem. What I don't appreciate is all of these "tuners" telling everyone behind closed doors that's there's no way the ECU change/mod will be detected. I don't think it's right. I'd rather hear the way you put it, lots sold and no problems you're aware of to date. That way you can make a decision based on the risk you want to take.
If I'm wrong about the above let the "tuners" come onto this thread and chime in. My bet is it won't happen because they know this is correct.
One other thing, I know some dealers do run the "PWD" when doing the CPO or PDI check list, just something to think about when going to sell.
All this being said I will consider modding my new one when it gets here. I will consider my route carefully though. Beyond catastrophic issues, I really got sick of having to change the plugs on my previous 911's due to some of these tunes, expensive and time consuming. The only car I never had issues with was the Ruf. They do a good job but you pay for it
The only way you'll have a problem is if Porsche asks the tech to run the "PWD" program. It doesn't automatically run when you hook up the scan tool. The tampering will definitely show up if they do. Fortunately PCNA doesn't ask for this very often especially if they're working with a respected long time tech/dealership who doesn't have a record of turning in a lot of bs claims.
The problem comes when you have a catastrophic engine and/or tranny failure not necessarily related to the the tune. I had two engine failures and two 2nd gear tranny failures several years ago. One was an X50 motor which costs 50K plus. Luckily the cars weren't modded and both under CPO warranty. In one of the cases the "PWD" program was requested. If it had been modded then there would have been trouble. On two of my other GIAC modded cars, I hooked them up just to see if "PWD" would pick it up and in both cases it did. Of course I was "guaranteed" there was no way it would
Like I said the CTT's seem to be pretty stable with good headroom, and the tune quite conservative, so probably won't be a problem. What I don't appreciate is all of these "tuners" telling everyone behind closed doors that's there's no way the ECU change/mod will be detected. I don't think it's right. I'd rather hear the way you put it, lots sold and no problems you're aware of to date. That way you can make a decision based on the risk you want to take.
If I'm wrong about the above let the "tuners" come onto this thread and chime in. My bet is it won't happen because they know this is correct.
One other thing, I know some dealers do run the "PWD" when doing the CPO or PDI check list, just something to think about when going to sell.
All this being said I will consider modding my new one when it gets here. I will consider my route carefully though. Beyond catastrophic issues, I really got sick of having to change the plugs on my previous 911's due to some of these tunes, expensive and time consuming. The only car I never had issues with was the Ruf. They do a good job but you pay for it
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10-07-2011 | 03:10 PM
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I have the EVOMS and Fabspeed bypass pipes on my '11 Cayenne Turbo. My dealer not only installed it before I picked it up put they are the ones that told me about it. Some dealers are very mod friendly and some are not. Both my wife & I have '11 Cayenne Turbos but hers is stock. What a difference. Nobody NEEDS this as the stock Cayenne Turbo is fantastic. That being said I would do it again in a heartbeat and highly recommend it.
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10-07-2011 | 03:17 PM
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Hey Duffy,
You're a lucky man My point is if you don't have a mod friendly dealer, and you're told upfront there's no way it can be detected, only to find out you're screwed when/if something happens down the line. You're in the perfect situation with everything being up front. It's very important to have that relationship with your dealer.
You're a lucky man
My point is if you don't have a mod friendly dealer, and you're told upfront there's no way it can be detected, only to find out you're screwed when/if something happens down the line. You're in the perfect situation with everything being up front. It's very important to have that relationship with your dealer.
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10-07-2011 | 10:12 PM
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Ted,
The EVOMSit Power Module for the new Cayenne (92A) and Panamera (970) is installed independently without any tampering of the ECU. The ECU is never touched. If removed before the car is brought to a dealership, the tech or Porsche would never know. This was done just recently for a Panamera Turbo S client without any issues. This of course only relates to the DFI Cayenne and Panamera where the ECU is not touched.
I'm a long time Porsche master technician at the dealership level and I have never heard of the PWD (Porsche Watch Dog) program you speak of. In fact, I called my friends Mike (Service Manager) and Tom (Shop Foreman) at Porsche North Scottsdale, both tell me this "program" does not exist. If your dealer is claiming that there is indeed a PWD scan option, please have them email me at robert@evoms.com with the info. We all would love to learn something new if in fact it does exist.
The outgoing PIWIS and current PIWIS 2 scanner does have a vehicle analysis option which Porsche can request for a warranty claim. This can show power train abuse but very RARELY shows any ECU tampering or mods of any type. When there is an engine failure, Porsche will first call for a engine oil analysis by asking the dealer to send a sample of the oil and the oil filter. They do this first before any vehicle scanning. In all my years at the dealership level, I have only witness one refused claim for engine failure and that was due to the client not using Mobil One 0W-40.
Cheers,
Robert Boreham
The EVOMSit Power Module for the new Cayenne (92A) and Panamera (970) is installed independently without any tampering of the ECU. The ECU is never touched. If removed before the car is brought to a dealership, the tech or Porsche would never know. This was done just recently for a Panamera Turbo S client without any issues. This of course only relates to the DFI Cayenne and Panamera where the ECU is not touched.
I'm a long time Porsche master technician at the dealership level and I have never heard of the PWD (Porsche Watch Dog) program you speak of. In fact, I called my friends Mike (Service Manager) and Tom (Shop Foreman) at Porsche North Scottsdale, both tell me this "program" does not exist. If your dealer is claiming that there is indeed a PWD scan option, please have them email me at robert@evoms.com with the info. We all would love to learn something new if in fact it does exist.
The outgoing PIWIS and current PIWIS 2 scanner does have a vehicle analysis option which Porsche can request for a warranty claim. This can show power train abuse but very RARELY shows any ECU tampering or mods of any type. When there is an engine failure, Porsche will first call for a engine oil analysis by asking the dealer to send a sample of the oil and the oil filter. They do this first before any vehicle scanning. In all my years at the dealership level, I have only witness one refused claim for engine failure and that was due to the client not using Mobil One 0W-40.
Cheers,
Robert Boreham
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10-07-2011 | 10:29 PM
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We bench flash directly to the ECU, this will bypass the counter and will not show the session. This is the only way the counter will not add programming sessions.
Cheers,
Robert Boreham
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10-08-2011 | 12:45 AM
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Wow, that is cool. Because it's not "flashed," and is "piggy backing", it's invisible. Brilliant! Yes the "Porsche Watch Dog" program does exist. I've seen it with my own two eyes several times, dog tail wagging and all It may be named something different on the version 2 scan tool but it's there, probably VAL (Vehicle Analysis Log). And it definitely knows if you tamper with the ECU, saw that too in Kansas City right after mine was flashed which was supposedly impossible.
Like you said, and I said earlier, Porsche doesn't go down this road often but if you don't have a good relationship with your dealer then it could be bad news, from a "flashing" point of view that is. It appears you guys have worked around this so there's not an issue. Sign me up
Thanks for the clarification.
It may be named something different on the version 2 scan tool but it's there, probably VAL (Vehicle Analysis Log). And it definitely knows if you tamper with the ECU, saw that too in Kansas City right after mine was flashed which was supposedly impossible.Like you said, and I said earlier, Porsche doesn't go down this road often but if you don't have a good relationship with your dealer then it could be bad news, from a "flashing" point of view that is. It appears you guys have worked around this so there's not an issue. Sign me up
Thanks for the clarification.
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10-08-2011 | 01:12 AM
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Sorry Jason, my bad. I wasn't aware of how this system integrated, should have done my homework first. I'm only familiar with the old way of doing things on the the older CTT's and 911's. This is really cool.
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10-09-2011 | 05:37 PM
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Hey Duffy,
You're a lucky man My point is if you don't have a mod friendly dealer, and you're told upfront there's no way it can be detected, only to find out you're screwed when/if something happens down the line. You're in the perfect situation with everything being up front. It's very important to have that relationship with your dealer.
You're a lucky man
My point is if you don't have a mod friendly dealer, and you're told upfront there's no way it can be detected, only to find out you're screwed when/if something happens down the line. You're in the perfect situation with everything being up front. It's very important to have that relationship with your dealer.