Can't sell my Cayenne for fear of being shipped overseas!
#16
Yea, its kind of crazy what's the difference if it's 1 month old or 6 especially since I wanted to buy another Cayenne S from Porsche. They will still get another sale from me, I am really disappointed!! If anyone is interested in my 2013 V6 (and won't ship to China) check out my auction on Ebay.
#17
My dealer confirmed the 6 month point where things become OK. He said the big problem to the dealer is if one of their cars gets exported to China, the VIN is tracked back to the dealer and the dealer will lose 2 allocations, meaning they will get two less cars to sell. This is why some dealers have you sign a no-export until 6 months letter.
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#21
Secondly think about the timing. It takes a minimum of 1 month for the vehicle to arrive in another country and then it still needs to sit in a lot before being sold and then the new owner would have to take it in to a Porsche dealer for some reason. And even if this were to happen within a 2 month timeline, your vehicle would need to be no older than 3.5 months old.
Dont worry about what the stupid dealers say, youve paid for it and theve made their money. Do whatever you want with the car.
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#24
I have a 2013 Cayenne V6 with 1340 miles, purchased it in August and just put it up on Ebay for auction, I am looking to buy an S. I had a buyer call me from Cali and wanted to buy it.
Also, I did sign paperwork at the dealership stating that I would not ship overseas. Does anyone have any experience with this or have any advice?
Also, I did sign paperwork at the dealership stating that I would not ship overseas. Does anyone have any experience with this or have any advice?
#25
if you sell to someone in California, then I don't think you would be breaking the agreement. However your dealer will get the 2 allocation penalty if it is sold overseas prior to 6 months so maybe, since you are not sure, you can put your dealer together with the potential buyer to work out a 6 month scheme, possibly that the transfer of the car is not done until it arrives in China or where ever and only if at that time is over 6 months. I imagine it might take a few months to get it there so it might be possible. Seems your dealer would be amenable as he has your upcoming purchase as a carrot.
#26
if you turn it over to dealer to work with buyer, you remove that burden from yourself and at same time show dealer you are being up front with him and protecting him. It may be a stretch to think your dealer would do that but I'd give it a try.
#27
I will ask the question.
#28
It is actually very hard to ship a car to China. If he is doing it, he got some serious connections. The mark up in China is huge on high-end cars, but it's coming down due to the slowing of economy. Could you ask him if he need more cars? I can sell him any cars he wants. I just couldn't anyone has connection to sell to.
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#29
The non-export agreements Porsche dealers make you sign are not worth the paper they are written on. An agreement which prevents you from exercising one of your rights (i.e. to dispose of personal property in any way you see fit) is absolutely NOT ENFORCEABLE. I personally know a lawyer that drafts such agreements for large dealer groups. So go ahead and sell your car to anyone you want, they can't go after you for any made up "fines". The reason they created these agreements in the first place, is to scare uninformed consumers, so they don't export their cars. In reality, there's nothing they can do about it. It is 100% LEGAL to sell something you own outright to anyone, including for export (unless it's an embargoed country like North Korea, Cuba, Sudan, etc)
However, the Porsche black list or "export list" is real and they do maintain a list of customers whose vehicles ended up being exported within 6 months of purchase. It is possible you could have trouble buying a new Cayenne from another dealer (probably not if you lease it). But in the case they refuse to sell you a car, I suggest you take legal action against the dealer, as that is essentially discrimination. Or buy from a normal manufacturer that doesn't attempt to control their customers.
However, the Porsche black list or "export list" is real and they do maintain a list of customers whose vehicles ended up being exported within 6 months of purchase. It is possible you could have trouble buying a new Cayenne from another dealer (probably not if you lease it). But in the case they refuse to sell you a car, I suggest you take legal action against the dealer, as that is essentially discrimination. Or buy from a normal manufacturer that doesn't attempt to control their customers.
Last edited by whatIF?; 11-15-2012 at 04:44 PM.
#30
The high price is because of high import duties imposed in many Asian countries, in Hong Kong ,it is 115%, 200% in China, about 300% in Indonesia!!! That's why some forum member reports paying over US$250,000 for a base Cayenne in Indonesia.