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HI there, without going through the entire thread, could anyone tell me if the part number for the new replacement bolts were ever provided? I just called a neighboring dealership and was told I'd have to purchase the entire sprocket with the bolts for $700+ ea.
Thanks,
Just so that everyone is aware, I am in the processing of having custom bolts manufactured out of grade 5 titanium. I already have a lot of work into this project and I will post up more information when they are completed!
I'm not Keith - but in reading that excellent reference to fasteners - I doubt if it would be a problem. Titanium is basically inert - topped only by gold and platinum. If there was an electrical current passing through - then there might be a bit of concern, but since it's covered in oil, even then - doubt if there would be a problem, not enough oxygen available to support electrolysis. It's also not just aluminum and titanium, the sprockets are what's being bolted to the adjuster - and they're some hardened steel. If anything would be a concern - I think the steel/aluminum would cause problems. MUCH less likely with titanium.
Hi. Sorry the thread is too long for you to go though.. but - no, there are NO replacement bolts available. You must purchase the entire adjuster assembly, two of them, list is around $700 each. If you go through the thread you'll find some clues on how to save about $350 on the price of the adjusters.
I was able to find the part numbers for these bolts and with the PET diagram, just in case anyone else wanted this bit of information.
That is not the correct engine - it's a V6. ENTIRELY different engines, and somewhat different Variocam mechanism.
BTW - just curious - is there a reason to post everything in bold? Just wondering..
This is the diagram I was sent when referring to the 2011 Cayenne Turbo, I will double check but sometimes they will have some erros in the PET, also the bolts will arrive and I will compare them to the old so we can confirm.
Don't be afraid to dicker a bit with the dealership. The quoted time is in WC-22, and I seem to recall it's about 6-7 hours. I suspect 8 hours is more reasonable, and that's what my dealer quoted me. I was OK with that.
My dealer then went the extra mile sort of thing - and gave me a PCA discount which meant the parts prices closely matched the best prices I could find for the parts on line.
The total estimate on mine was ~$2,600 and change.. And the dealership stuck to that price even after basically rebuilding the top of the engine (both heads) when the tech had a brain-fart. Hopefully you can land the job for less than $3,000.
And you can't really blame Porsche for the taxes - but I guess it helps to vent about them anyway..
The quoted time in the W22 is just under 5 hrs. I brought this to the attention of my service manager when I was negoting my repairs. He said that was what Porsche reimbursed to them. He claimed the book rate was 9 hrs. Charged me 8
This is the diagram I was sent when referring to the 2011 Cayenne Turbo, I will double check but sometimes they will have some erros in the PET, also the bolts will arrive and I will compare them to the old so we can confirm.
Why do you use bolt and large fonts?
because he just spent $30 grand on a new engine,,,and can still smile!
HI there, without going through the entire thread, could anyone tell me if the part number for the new replacement bolts were ever provided? I just called a neighboring dealership and was told I'd have to purchase the entire sprocket with the bolts for $700+ ea.
Thanks,
suncoast Porsche...$525 each. I don't work for them and don't know the rules on whether I can name companies.
Admin will correct if so...No intent here
Add me to that list, I just got the news from PORSCHE that they are pretty much offering me 3K to help with a $35,199 repair order.
So I wanted to tell my story here and so I can keep everyone in the loop.
BEFORE YOU BUY A PORSCHE CAYENNE 2011 2012 TURBO OR CAYENNE S PLEASE READ THIS AS IT IS UPDATED.
I recently took my personal 2011 Cayenne Turbo into an indy shop for what I wanted to ID as a loss of boost issue, after 2 visits and many replacement parts that was getting close to the 2K marker I finally DROVE IT IN as I had on the previous 2 occasions. This time I didn't bug then over needing my vehicle since I just wanted them to find the problem and not have to return.
Well I finally call and start asking questions 3-weeks after my car has not been returned or no calls, I finally get a hold of the owner who says that he had the car running and it was running great, during the test drive (only 5-miles were documented since it was left there 3-weeks prior) the engine blew. I was told that it was the infamous CAMSHAFT ADJUSTER SCREWS that broke, well I was then told that it was best if I could get it over to PORSCHE so possibly they would make the repairs under good faith since it just went out of warranty within the year.
Well after a few days and a few calls I get a $3,000 credit towards the repairs authorized from PORSCHE.
I have a 135K paper weight that I can't do anything with until I foot the bill of $35,199 (the estimation for the repairs to be made).
1. I wasn't the driver when the engine blew, the indy shop was "test driving it when it blew".
2. This is a well documented issue with PORSCHE and they have even started a "campaign" an other smooth word for "recall" due to this issue.
I will keep you all posted on what comes of this ordeal, I just wanted to reach out and ask anyone here first off (LEGAL ADVISE WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED) as to: A. is the indy shop responsible for any of this? B. Is PORSCHE responsible, of a know defect in these aluminum bolt failures?
Last has anyone pursued any claims against PORSCHE for this same issue OUT OF WARRANTY covered, I know many of you have had replacements under warranty but mine is out so if you have an out of warranty feedback that would be best.
BY THE WAY, I'M NOT WAITING FOR PORSCHE TO MAKE A MOVE, I'VE ALREADY PURCHASED A REPLACEMENT ENGINE THAT I INTEND ON GETTING INSTALLED VERY SOON. (GOOD IS THAT IS HAS ONLY 27K) (BAD IS THAT EVERYTHING IS OUT OF POCKET TILL I CAN'T GET THIS ISSUE RESOLVED)
I have submitted my report to the NHTSA/DOT just now
THANK YOU IN ADVANCE,
if it were me, I would have an attorney, yesterday! These dudes blow up your motor and offer u less than 10% on a 30k repair...WTF! Lawyer gets you 15-20k... Probably cost you 5k.
if it were me, I would have an attorney, yesterday! These dudes blow up your motor and offer u less than 10% on a 30k repair...WTF! Lawyer gets you 15-20k... Probably cost you 5k.
I think you missed it - it isn't the same "dudes" who blew up his motor who are offering him $3k - it's Porsche.
He had the car at an independent - when the motor grenaded - due to the VarioCam bolt problem amply covered in this thread.
He isn't blaming the indy shop - he's blaming Porsche.
My only suggestion on who should pay is to find out if the indy shop has insurance against this sort of thing happening - and see if that insurance might cover it.
At the moment - he's still talking with Porsche and apparently is getting somewhere with the regional rep. Where it all ends up? Dunno.
My main comment on Porsche's latest debacle is - Holy S**t Batman!
.... if you're from the 1960's - then you'll know that line.
So now I've had to join yet another friggin' forum just due to this Porsche screw up errr "not an engineering error" - which I was fortunately clued into last week before buying a used CayS!
Don't get me wrong, cuz I'm really grateful for all of the work done by Don deilenberger & sjg1138 on this issue & getting it to NHTSA for investigation.
Yes, I've read through all now 30 pages of posts, plus all of the linked RennList (member there too, same screen name) etc. linked out materials from here & those - which i couldn't do last week due to tax, biz & other stuff going on here.
Also based upon the China & Japan recalls - & since AFAIK the V6 is built on the same line for Cay or Pana - it would appear that this will also eventually spread to our base Cayenne V6 & Hybrid brethren too.
Ergo, I'd suggest someone familiar with that flavor Cay also post p/n(s) & pix of those parts in here too.
I've also posted a heads-up at Airforums (Airstream Forums) where a bunch of folks tow with Cayennes, as well as Tregs & Q7s, which may share the same cam adjuster mfgr. with Porsche BTW - along with a link to this topic & the WC-22 pdf document. So you may now get some traffic from folks on there.
Several of you have mentioned 3rd party warranty/extended service contracts as a solution - which I initially considered as well - but I found that the complaints & ratings on almost all of them were horrible! Even Fidelity - who administers the factory CPO for Porsche, VW, Audi & others - really screws most of their clients if you read their complaints (despite several folks I know who have had good experiences with the Fidelity 3rd party in prior years). And remember that only squeaky wheels will post complaints/reviews, not so many good experiences - but that's what you need, in order to know for what you're paying.
This is where I found some good rating & review info on them, & Fidelity is way way down with only one star .... in RED on the first one -
Also check their BBB page & ratings & complaints for each company of interest - you will be shocked.
One of those long standing warranty companies which a non-P dealer wanting to sell me a 2011 CS, had on the top banner of their own website, the slogan something like: Enhancing Dealer Revenue since 19XX - so they're certainly NOT there to help the buyers of cars to get repairs as their primary mission.
While Fidelity does not seem to play games with the factory sponsored CPOs - probably because the car makers want to keep their customers happy & coming back to buy another new or CPO car - Porsche included, but there is certainly plenty of games which Fidelity plays to wiggle out of paying for repairs under their 3rd party products of late.
If you're looking at any of these 3rd party warranties or service contracts - or even the factory sponsored CPOs - then you'd best read ALL of the fine print & what is covered & what is not covered!
For example - how many of you with a Porsche CPO know that you cannot use the included tow coverage if you have aftermarket wheels on it!!?? You will get charged towing if they show up & your pretty Porsche has some other non-Porsche wheels on there! We bailed on 4 CS's on that basis alone!
Another one - did you know that only an owner/PP or Porsche Dealer can transfer the Porsche CPO to you as buyer - & then only if it never went through a non-Porsche Dealer or broker ever sold the car in between, since that event immediately cancels the CPO!? .... (see page 4 of your CPO book - in bold print) PCNA was unclear if an auto auction also cancels it, when I contacted their CS specialist last Dec. `16 on this aspect.
That said - I'd love to hear about a quality 3rd party extended warranty or service contract which really does cover stuff like this cam adjuster bolt caused engine loss, or any other long term malady.
We want a CayS as a tow vehicle & "extra car" for probably 3-5000 miles a year of use (maybe some years more with long XC trips like Don E, but west to east), & most of it with either our restored vintage Avion T20 (#2 off the line - similar to Airstream, but better built & roomier) to vintage trailer rallies & auto events & to visit our kids & family, & for my `73 914 to resto shops & then to PCA Zone 8 & Parade Concours, as well as just for some PCA fun driving events.
We've been on the hunt for a nice well maintained 2008-14 CayS (no Air Suspension) preferably with the tow option & back-up camera on it already, in most anything but black! We were initially looking for an `06 Titanium Ed. in Iceland Silver (blue) cuz we really liked that color - & most Cayenne colors really suck IMHO - but moved away from the series 1 due to the coolant pipes, rear hatch struts, headlight units, & several other problems which Porsche supposedly fixed in the 2008> versions.
Apparently they just substituted new & worse problems with these cheapo screws!
Unlike Don E - who has owned 10x the vehicles in 1/2 the time as I - I am a car keeper & probably not too popular with any dealer, since I've only owned 5 cars since my first one in 1969 (almost 50 years) with only the E30 & Westy bought new - & I still own cars #3-5 if you look at my sig, with #4 & 5 as now Classic DDs.
So I put money into maintaining these cars in top driveable & appearance condition, & will do so with our CayS too. This cam adjuster bolt issue & other cover-ups by Porsche & Diesel-Gate by V/A/P etc. could spell an unmaintainable vehicle!
So this issue & the way Porsche & V/A/P has mishandled issues/problems & mistreated owners with this design flaw, the coolant pipes, IMS, etc., etc. - I'm really thinking of following my longtime Porsche mechanic of 42 years - to get a Toyota Sequoyah instead! And he's Austrian born & trained & worked at their biggest/oldest V/A/P dealership in the 1960's, then came to the USA to Circle Porsche in Long Beach CA where he was their 914 expert among other things, before starting his shop in 1972!
Ergo, I've added this WC-22 info to my PPI checklist & will now demand pix of the Torx screws/bolts & cam adjusters' parts nos. from both banks on any 2011-12 CS that I look at from here on - regardless of the then current PAG/PCNA admitted VINs, based upon those already posting on here for this problem who are outside the current WC-22 range.
Enough of this already too long post!
Comne say "Hi" if any of you are in SoCal & come out to the PCA Zone 8 Concours put on by the Cal Inland Region on 4/30/17 at College of the Canyons in Santa Clarita CA - near Tragic Mountain. I'll be judging & will have the blue 1988 Westfalia & it's awning serving as the registration, scoring & refreshments booth there.
Could it be possible that Porsche or Heilite only changed to aluminum screws/bolts without the tamper proof pin & a beefier head than the problem Torx ones, since your latest info is that the new parts are not steel screws?
I say this because it appeared that the main form of failure was at the head - often leaving the anti-tamper pin intact, & that the new screws are still light like the originals, per Don E. or someone on here.
BTW - I'm still waiting for my first & longer post to be approved for publication by the Admins, so it will be interesting to see if this question gets posted first. This question is essentially a PS to the other one, but I cannot edit to add this to my original post, if they don't post it up.
PS - Yup, this posted right away, but the other is still out there in the ether somewhere, so I try to recover & re-post it below.
PSS - Nope, it's now gone on my other tab message, so I hope the Admins have it & will post it soon!
I wanted to add this info I receievd today from one of my 2 local Porsche dealerships here in SW Pennsylvania.
Good news on a couple of fronts here. 1: You live in Pennsylvania, I presume the vehicle is registered here, so that extends the coverage to 80,000 miles. 2: That failure is not as common as the internet would lead you to believe. We've only seen a few of them.
If you would like to replace them for piece of mind the estimate would be $3258.68 including Tax.
The parts total is $1943.81 and includes the adjusters, all new bolts, cam and intake gaskets, and the chain tensioner sealing ring.
thanks and sorry again for the delay.
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Your thoughts? I am sitting at 68,900 thinking the warranty only went 7/70,000 if it truly is 8/80,000 this gives me another full year of Federal Emissions warranty. I was under the impression it was only 70,000.
04-15-2017, 10:28 AM
New Member - Just for this Freiggin Problem!
