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Old 04-19-2008 | 04:37 PM
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zymol vintage VS swissvax mystery

i am considering of using either one...

which one is better for black car?

and how are they comapred to zaino...interms of protecting the paint , the shine and how lasting are they...

heard some people say wax doesnt work in tropical countries...

in my country a hot sunny day will go up to 35degree celcius... will that affect my wax?


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Old 04-19-2008 | 05:03 PM
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btw my colour is pure jet black paint... does not have any metallic...

i know that zymol can bring out the best in metallic paints..
 
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Considering carnauba has been used since the time of the Egyptians in the hottest and driest parts of the world, I'd say the heat shouldn't be a problem. In fact, a waxed car will have a lower surface temp than one that isn't waxed.

Your question of which one is better is one that can be quite complex. Zymol Vintage was the original wax that came out over a decade ago having the highest concentration of any wax in the world. So, in that aspect, it's the original high-end wax paving the way for the new waxes on the market competing in the same stage. Zymol vintage is arguably the finest wax Zymol makes and a lot of high-end and priceless automobiles in the world have had their final application be vintage. I for one am partial to Zymol for reasons known and some I cannot disclose due to legal matters.

So without getting too complicated, you first need to know how to use these waxes. There are many factors such as ambient temp, humidity, the paint chemistry, and technique play a crucial role in maximizing the benefit of high-end waxes.

The most important aspect of your whole process should be the prep work. You must remove most, if not all, the flaws such as swirls, spiderwebbing, scratches, oxidation, etc. prior to applying such a wax like Vintage. In my experience, Vintage enhances what's underneath. So this can be a double-edge sword. If you have flaws, it will show them more but if your paint is amazingly prepped, it will further enhance the depth and shine. Hope this helps.
 
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Swissvax Mystery on a Midnight Blue 993 Turbo:



Swissvax Mystery on a Black 993 Turbo:


Swissvax Mystery on a Black Z06

Swissvax Mystery on a 993 C2


That being said its all in the paint work and I believe its preference. But of course like Moe for various reasons I'm going to have to say Swissvax
 
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I love Swissvax! Zymol's apply by hand deal is a bit too gimmicky for me.
 
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I love Swissvax! Zymol's apply by hand deal is a bit too gimmicky for me.
It's not a gimmick. If you feel the higher-end waxes you'll notice there are little grains in there. Those grains are the raw white carnauba that needs further melting with the warms of your hand. Also, by applying with your bare hands, you "feel" the paint. How else can you know if you've done an excellent job of claying or polishing. The only way to know you've decontaminated the paint and prepped properly is to actually feel the paint. Finally, you're bonding with the car. Don't know of any other product that allows you to truly have a personal experience detailing your car.
 
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Originally Posted by MoeMistry
It's not a gimmick. If you feel the higher-end waxes you'll notice there are little grains in there. Those grains are the raw white carnauba that needs further melting with the warms of your hand. Also, by applying with your bare hands, you "feel" the paint. How else can you know if you've done an excellent job of claying or polishing. The only way to know you've decontaminated the paint and prepped properly is to actually feel the paint. Finally, you're bonding with the car. Don't know of any other product that allows you to truly have a personal experience detailing your car.
how is that possible if the melting point of carnauba is 78-85 deg c?

INCI name is Copernicia Cerifera (carnauba) wax
E Number is E903.
melting point: 78-85 °C, among the highest of natural waxes
 

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My only experiences is with Zymol, not Swisswax. Zymol makes an excellent excellent product, tried and true.


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i wouldnt deny that zymol makes one of the best wax in the world...

just that their applying with hand method does not make sense to me...

i wish someone could prove me wrong... because im about to make a jump on the vintage
 
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I feel that you have much better control over the wax when applying by hand. It's much easier to get very close to edges, and get into little nooks and crannies without getting any on rubber moldings. Zymol however does take quite a bit of application time, as a few hours after the application, paint must be re-buffed with a microfiber to wipe away any residual oils.


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Originally Posted by xxterxx
i wouldnt deny that zymol makes one of the best wax in the world...

just that their applying with hand method does not make sense to me...

i wish someone could prove me wrong... because im about to make a jump on the vintage
As I mentioned earlier, there are a few reasons why the wax is applied by hand. Since zymol is a natural product in will perish if left standing out in climate fluctuations, clients usually store zymol waxes in the fridge which hardens the wax. When you're ready to use, you pull the wax out 1 hour prior to application. If you have ever felt concours, destiny, atlantique, vintage you'll feel the raw carnauba which is the grainy texture. As you rub your palms together, the grains melt and your hand becomes oily and you're ready to apply. All the raw carnauba is suspended in the wax container and should never reach the melting point you have mentioned of 78-85 degrees. If it does, you'll notice the wax melting in the container on the top surface. zymol's process of concentrating so much volume of carnauba is proprietary, but all i can tell you is that there is raw carnauba that's in the wax that needs further processing, and that's where the end user comes in. I hope this helps.

By the way, have you ever used any other zymol wax before? If not, your shouldn't be buying vintage yet. Usually, you graduate from other waxes to vintage when you have mastered the zymol wax application. Whomever you decide to purchase the wax from should train you and teach you the proper techniques.
 
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