http://www.gscmotorsports.com/onelap/

Which one would you take?

 

"GTR and GTR...... we kikd its but in the mornin session... duno bout afternoon.... i think we did again..."

Leh (who owns an R34), but obviously wants to win.

 

I've been txting him. Once his co-driver starts driving, he's going to log on here. Should be interesting. What's Z07 and fanboys going to say now?

 

I'm glad you're making sense to yourself at least...

Different drivers, with different experience levels, different familiarities with their cars, at different times, with different knowledge of the tracks, different levels of commitment. You think you can somehow cancel all of these effects out and come out with how fast the car really, because you "know" Tony is fast, etc. All I'll say is good luck with that.

 

No excuses. Here's the overall cumulative results:

The only car above that we know is definitely stock is the GTR. HC, are there any more apples and oranges you'd like us to compare?

Look, an E36 M3 is beating the GT3. Above the GTR we have a 420hp Cayman S. Completely stock too no doubt.

 

Or we could just look at the summation of all results and remain content that we are absolutely raping you.

 

Rape? ORLY?

You quote overall results after we've explained that overall means fairly little in the big scheme as the most potent cars are not always the ones to win. Secondly, there have only been 4 events, there is a week of stuff left to go.

And how exactly do we KNOW the GT-R is stock. The GT3 has stock suspension and you cant get much power out of it to begin with. Point being you cant defy gravity, weight/hp really DOES matter. And pigs cannot fly.

Anyone who knows GT3 knows that even the most heavily modded 996 GT3's are still slower than the 997 GT3 stock. And this car is nothing of the sort.

It's called relativity.


petevb

Same Car
Competition
Same Day
Same Conditions

Tony has been to Road America every year with the one lap since 2003 so this is his 5th time there. And the GT3 driver had never been there. Had he, it would have been rape yet again, so it's not me that needs to call the police.

Yet all of you keep ignoring the Road and Track where same track, similar conditions this so called amateur driver beat a TEST DRIVER (not just a pro, test driver is a different level, one that has one of the most winningest records in Nissan history) by a full second, and has posted the fastest time in the Z06 that we know of at that track.

WHY DO YOU KEEP IGNORNG THAT?

You cannot win here, too much conflicting evidence.

 

Denial is a defense mechanism' postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. [1]

The subject may deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether (simple denial), admit the fact but deny its seriousness (minimisation) or admit both the fact and seriousness but deny responsibility (transference). The concept of denial is particularly important to the study of addiction.

 

A little OT, but.. Imagine how much better the Road & Track article would've been had they invited Hurley Haywood and Ron Fellows. Then we would've seen some good stuff..

 

I've followed OLOA results for several years now and there are very few stock cars that finish in the top flight. Without seeing the specifications of the other cars, the results are meaningless.

How do we know the GTR is standard?
http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/2008/05/...f-america.html

But your question just furthers my point, nobody knows what the stock GTR is being compared to here.

The GT3 driver has probably slept with his car he's had it that long. The GTR guy is driving a brand new car.

Because it's irrelevant. There's no use crying over spilt milk my little goat.

 

HC will deny this.

 

 

Because fanboi, it's a simple rational vs irrational argument and you've insisted on being on the wrong side from the outset!

You've dismissed all the objective magazine testing: same track,same driver,stock cars, and rationalise that those results mean nothing because: somebody,somewhere, sometime is going to beat the GTR around a race track.
AND

When that occurs in a GT3 or 997tt (irrespective of the relative experience of the drivers or the mods), it will mean that the 997TT/GT3 is a better/faster car and all the mag comparisons were staged.

You should either desist from peddling such irrational dribble

OR

Go and see one of of Sigmund's modern colleagues.

Choose one of the above options, and everything will be ok.

 

LOL,tell me about it. Next we'll be hearing about comparison of GTR to the GT2,the Carrera GT,then Koenigsegg CCXR and then a G5 Jet,just pure sillness at it best.

 

What I see there is a totally stock GTR with factory wheels and a race prepped 997 GT3 complete with trailer, track wheels , tool kit.

Can't wait for the real world outcome of that one.

By the way, I love Porsche, but its to witness the volume and level of GTR performance denial in this forum.

To answer your question, I already own a 996tt and I wouldn't trade that for either car.

I was looking for another car to compliment it, GTR wins hands down.

If it was going to be an only car, I would test both back to back for comfort,performance and value and be happy with either.

If for track only and price is not a consideration, the GT3. When the V spec gets here, that might affect my decision re track car.