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Old 07-26-2008 | 01:44 PM
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EDO car actually runs on street tires, the whole point of that car is that even with what appeared to be a race car, it was still considered "street legal." It also runs 612hp via an RS Tuning motor. And you're right, its body work and lighter weight enable it to run race-car like times. However, consider that the base car ran 7:46, while the new 997 runs a 7:32 to start with. So already half the time difference is cut with only 530hp and a more advanced suspension.

997 GT2 basic geometry is actually more advanced than this EDO car. All it needs is an ECU tune, wing extention and deeper front lip and gurney flaps (parts that are already being made by Manthey, DP, and others), and KW v3 with proper adjustments, and you too can easily run with an ACR, while actually being able to commute to work or even take long distance trips with the car. But either way, as my friend Bill S says, it's kinda academic anyway.

However Bill, I will tell you from firsthand experience, a GT2 easily blows away an RS, especially in the straights. I lined up with a friend's and by 3rd gear I was already walking him.

Downforce clearly helps on high speed tracks, but if the TechArt GT Street RS shows anything, on short tracks, a tuned GT2 can pretty much blow anything away.
 
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Weird that F430 Scuderia was not in that test. IMO, if Gallardo did that good, F430S would destroy everything.
 
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[quote=Hamann7;1968917]However Bill, I will tell you from firsthand experience, a GT2 easily blows away an RS, especially in the straights. I lined up with a friend's and by 3rd gear I was already walking him.[quote]

Yes, that's expected. How does your GT2 do against a CGT? Let me know if you'd like to test that.
 
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[quote=Bill S;1968993][quote=Hamann7;1968917]However Bill, I will tell you from firsthand experience, a GT2 easily blows away an RS, especially in the straights. I lined up with a friend's and by 3rd gear I was already walking him.

Yes, that's expected. How does your GT2 do against a CGT? Let me know if you'd like to test that.
OK, especially since it's another excuse to hang out again. I think the last time I saw you was in the most unfortunate of circumstances, and that was 3 years ago. Are you doing Pebble Beach weekend in August?
 
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With just the right alignment, the GT2 could have won the autoX and SoW. At Big Willow it could have been from 2nd-4th place. The car could have won the test.

The article mentions that the Dodge team was adjusting the Viper for every test. The Viper ACR has adjustable shocks.

Put a set of adjustable shocks (Moton 2-way) in a 997 GT2, and it will run even faster lap times.

Unfortunately, there is plenty of feedback about the Turbo lag on the new GT2, not as bad as the 6GT2 but still there. This is the nature of Turbo cars, my small twin turbos 335i has noticeable lag, even though Max Torque is available at just 1,400 rpm.
 
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With just the right alignment, the GT2 could have won the autoX and SoW. At Big Willow it could have been from 2nd-4th place. The car could have won the test.

The article mentions that the Dodge team was adjusting the Viper for every test. The Viper ACR has adjustable shocks.

Put a set of adjustable shocks (Moton 2-way) in a 997 GT2, and it will run even faster lap times.

Unfortunately, there is plenty of feedback about the Turbo lag on the new GT2, not as bad as the 6GT2 but still there. This is the nature of Turbo cars, my small twin turbos 335i has noticeable lag, even though Max Torque is available at just 1,400 rpm.
and if hitler hadn't invaded russia we would all be speaking german. how do you know what alignment was on the gt2? maybe it was optimized (max factory camber, etc....). all the other cars may have benefited from an alignment & onsite engineer. you can play the what if game/make excuses all day long.
 
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It's a bit optimistic to think that the alignment would have brought the GT2 to the top at any of the other tracks, the ACR is faster, PERIOD. But Porsches history of delivering cars with less than optimal alignments makes it beleivable that it could have at least been better than it was.

Road and Track sucks. A ultimate track car challenge that gives extra points for back seats is stupid.
 
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Road and Track sucks. A ultimate track car challenge that gives extra points for back seats is stupid.
Did you even read the article? nothing other then lap times were used in the grading of the vehicles.

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Another test, another argument... I can't believe how they can test car's with altered alignments, diff compounds and tires, etc... They should all be out of the factory spec to be tested!
 
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"However, consider that the base car ran 7:46, while the new 997 runs a 7:32 to start with. So already half the time difference is cut with only 530hp and a more advanced suspension."

The difference in stock tires would also have played a significant role here. 8 years development advantage is very evident.
 
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The 996 GT2 was driven Sport Auto (dont know if horst or not, they did use other drivers as well), at a time faster than they've tested any of the 997 GT3's. I do not know if sport cups were on the car or not, but there is definitely time there, I would venture to say the 996 GT2 is in the high 7:30's range tested by Walter on sport cups since Porsche never released an official time for it.
 
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