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Old 01-31-2005 | 12:30 AM
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GT3 videos - this driver scares me

http://www.maxige.com/video.html

Wow, this driver is both amazing and fearless. Watching the Nurburgring clip in particular makes you scared and in awe of this guys *****.
 
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Old 01-31-2005 | 12:57 AM
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the one in the snow rocks... talk about pissing people off!
 
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Old 01-31-2005 | 09:18 AM
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Man I thought that guy was a carpenter making furniture the way he was sawing on the wheel.
 
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Old 01-31-2005 | 11:05 AM
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Great videos!

I noticed that he changed to a Cup steering wheel toward the end.

Wonder what kind of exhaust he was running-- any guesses?

Lee in D.C.
 
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Sounds like bypass pipes.
 
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Old 02-01-2005 | 03:35 AM
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Man I thought that guy was a carpenter making furniture the way he was sawing on the wheel.

shes not the smoothest of methods but it gets the job done pretty spectacularly. kudos to him, big *****. imagine been the passenger!
 
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Old 02-01-2005 | 08:22 AM
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I think he does a pretty good job with the GT3, it can be a handfull when driven ***** to the wall.
 
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Old 02-01-2005 | 01:49 PM
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I guess if you're a luberjack and don't want to be fast- speed comes, but being smooth makes it consistent all around the track
 
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Old 02-01-2005 | 02:11 PM
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It's too tough to be smooth with a GT3?
 
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i love the one in the snow
 
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Old 02-02-2005 | 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by teutonictrio
It's too tough to be smooth with a GT3?

 
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Old 02-02-2005 | 06:22 PM
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I guess if you're a luberjack and don't want to be fast- speed comes, but being smooth makes it consistent all around the track
He sure looked like he was going fast to me. Some people move their hands/wheel around more than others, which does go against textbook technique, but some of them are just damned fast anyway. I watched pretty close up as Montoya went by at Long Beach in Champ cars, sawing away, and that guy is very fast. Sometimes also, it's really easy to be smooth with your hands when you're not really at the limit of the car. Watch Lehto in the Audi R8 at speed in ALMS, his hands and wheel are moving all over the place, and that's another example of a seriously fast guy. It's the difference between being on the edge and just driving at a good clip. Some are even smooth while on the edge, and that's amazing too, maybe Schumi's a good example. I've been in a car with one of the fastest Porsche racers in the US, and his hands were pretty active, but the guy was doing things I didn't realize the car was capable of. Always something new to learn in driving. Hey, did anyone see if there's an in-car vid of the record-breaking 9ff speed run? That's something I'd like to see...
 
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Old 02-02-2005 | 06:49 PM
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He sure looked like he was going fast to me. Some people move their hands/wheel around more than others, which does go against textbook technique, but some of them are just damned fast anyway. I watched pretty close up as Montoya went by at Long Beach in Champ cars, sawing away, and that guy is very fast. Sometimes also, it's really easy to be smooth with your hands when you're not really at the limit of the car. Watch Lehto in the Audi R8 at speed in ALMS, his hands and wheel are moving all over the place, and that's another example of a seriously fast guy. It's the difference between being on the edge and just driving at a good clip. Some are even smooth while on the edge, and that's amazing too, maybe Schumi's a good example. I've been in a car with one of the fastest Porsche racers in the US, and his hands were pretty active, but the guy was doing things I didn't realize the car was capable of. Always something new to learn in driving. Hey, did anyone see if there's an in-car vid of the record-breaking 9ff speed run? That's something I'd like to see...
oddly enough, the explaination i was recently given for intentional sawing is that it broadens the contact patches in the corners.
 
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Old 02-02-2005 | 07:50 PM
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The owner of FVD (Mr. Brombacher) believes in this style of driving as well!! Scared the living crap outta me when I hit the first offramp with him at a very fast speed and he started sawing at the wheel, but ya know what... IT WORKS!! I don't feel comfortable doing it, but if you think about it, it makes sense that you get more contact patch....
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Old 02-02-2005 | 09:17 PM
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This is interesting. Since the tires have the burden of forces applied through braking, turning and acceleration, and the goal is to optimize each, so distance is covered in the shortest time (in a track example), it would be important to see exactly what the sawing motion is physically doing at the tire contact area. For example, if your steering wheel is set and you're following an arc through a turn (let's assume your braking is already done), and you exceed the adhesion limits of the tires, you'll begin to slide off line. If you use a sawing motion, you're releasing the lateral load on the front tires, effectively reducing the slip angle briefly, and allowing the tire to rotate faster. But, you're also increasing the radius of the arc, so then is the result a faster turn, or is it the same or slower because you've traveled a longer distance to get to the end of the turn and begin the next section of track? Then, of course we have to include throttle steering into the equation, and if you've got the front tires with variable contact patch due to sawing, and the rear tires are being overcooked to rotate the car, what's actually happening to your time/distance result? I've seen some fast guys in race cars that have active hands, and some that barely move them. In karting, I've only seen fast guys that barely move their hands. And in karting, the managing of slip angles is critical, due perhaps to the fact that karts have such little perimeter weighting, and they rotate very abruptly and very fast. Well, I guess this is another study and a racing technique book waiting to happen! Hmm...I do know some top racers, and we'd need to have some serious data aquisition and a subject car...Damn, another project to add to the list!
 

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