Focused like a laser on the root issue here. Remind me to buy you a beverage when I meet you Peter.

 

Well said wasn't it.
Porsche always comes up with a plan. Either HP or track time or something. Once they get the number they want, no matter what they said before, they shut down the process and don't engineer anything more. They use what they have. Using the 2 RS as an example, they got the Ring number, so they quit the engineering. They will save those parts that need to be made better for another edition at a future day.

 

LOL, with all the rain and cold I've been expecting for the whole West Coast posse to show up at Sebring, Road ATL or VIR. I'll be handing out beers all evening long!

www.48hoursatsebring.com or www.davidmurry.com/event-list/details/2-vir-track-days-2010.html?xref=1 ?

Maybe my car will find it's way to the West Coast next summer to hit all the worthwile tracks for a few days each.

 

that sucks big time.

2. what are the "adjustments"
3. more solid linkage than gt3rs? the only solid link on RS are upper the inner bearing of the thrust arm. there are NO other solid links on stock 997.1 or 997.2RS AFAIK. and it's no more than 5k to replace the entire rear with solid links that are BETTER than oem pmna parts.

 

OK fellas, enough with the presumptions, here are the facts from an updated and current dealer parts catalog. I just updated my catalog on Monday, and they just added new parts to the RS models in this update.

More information could still be added, the cars haven't hit our shores yet, so things could change. I checked over the list, the front lower suspension on a GT2 RS and GT3 RS appear to be identical, not a big suprise. The rear is different, and so are all shocks and springs around the car. I found unique part numbers which are not shared with any other vehicle, they are only used on the GT2 RS:

- Front Shock Absorber - 997-343-041-80 x 2
- Front Springs - 997-343-531-80-504
- Rear Wheel Carrier - 997-331-111-80 AND 997-331-112-80
- Rear Track Rod - 997-331-045-80 X 2
- Wishbone / Control Arm - 997-331-041-80 AND 997-331-042-80
- Rear Underbody Strut - 997-331-081-92
- Rear Shock Absorber - 997-333-051-80 x 2
- Rear Springs - 997-333-531-81-504 (possibly other rear shock hardware too)

Not sure how they're different, but they are unique items to the GT2 RS. So just to clarify, the GT2 RS and GT3 RS don't have the same suspension.

If you have any questions, please let me know.

 

+1 for Suncoast and for PET research. Love you guys for your service to the enthusiast!

With that said, my beef is with the rose-joint/spherical ends/remove all the rubber video comments. The items you identify above that relate to that are the two I already acknowledged: rear wishbone/LCA and track rod (toe control arm).

Rear top shock mounts, rear upper control arms, rear caster control rod, front caster control rod and caster pucks, front LCA inboard mount are same as 3RS and are rubber mounts. Yes?

They were precise comments made in the video and my observation was of specific parts that related to those comments.

I am thrilled they made the changes that they did to the rear suspension. But I remain perplexed at the video claims. Maybe it is resolved with PET updates but the car has been in the wild for some time now in ROW. Why would anything change?

I think it boils down to a looseness in the marketing. Like when the GT3RS is marketed to have a "titanium exhaust system". It doesn't. It has a Ti center section and steel side mufflers, cats and headers. The honest way to describe it would be a standard exhaust with a titanium piece. For those of us to whom a full titanium system matters, it was a misrepresentation of the reality.

Ditto the rubber comments.

 

I have all the RSS solid parts on my car, and I've put about 5k miles on the parts, no complaints... No sound or creaking.

The ride is a little harsher but it is no big deal

 

I have all solid suspension too and it doesn't make noise either, my point is that making a production car with these things and projects with these cars that will likely be sold before anything happens with the suspension is too different things. The rubber will last for 100's of thousands of miles and that's proven. Spherical's are derived from race cars that are more likely to replace them after a few seasons so they have no proven themselves on lots of street cars for 10's and hundreds of thousands of miles.

Can anyone point out a street car with all solid suspension, rose joints, sphericals and solid bushings? I think that is too much to ask for a street car. For porsche to introduce those parts they would have had to endure a LOT of rigorous testing.

Now that we have some clarification on the differences, it's obvious this isn't a parts bin car with a little less weight and a little more hp. It's got some work into it, and it's FAAASSSSTTT.

This is still a street car.

 

+1 Also, that's why they ship all over the country. i'm just lucky to be close.

Savboy still has a point with the stretching the truth in the markething video coming from respected engineers, drivers etc. Lie to me in commercials, we can tell the diffrence there, but not in those kind of "real life" video's that makes you write checks, expecting to get what they mention.

But Suncoast's homework is very good news for GT2RS buyers, to me that qualifies easily as a different suspension and makes the GT2RS more appealing. GT3RS'es now have a "lesser" suspension.
Now these upgrades, like the front fenders and hood will be wanted by GT3RS owners. I think I am pretty sure what the upcoming GT3RS LE will be and it might be the ultimate GT2RS, TT delete ;-).

They were able to make some improvements, shed some weight and squeeze another 500each LE out of it. Cool for those who can afford it. I'd want both and sell my RS.

 

eek... i haven't been back here in some time, and it turns out the video i took and posted seems to have started something!

i wish i could say i have a direct line to Preuninger, but unfortunately i don't.

i'm of two minds on this matter.

1) i feel a bit miffed that he said those things in the vid. maybe i should have asked the question differently, saying "what is different about this car than the GT3RS"... it would have allowed him to be more... honest? precise? in his answer, than what i got. at the end of the day, he was talking to journalists (in my case, a part time one).

of course if you want to be black and white about it (and the price of the car seems to demand this,) then... it is what it is, and it is disappointing for sure.

having said that...

2) whatever the final configuration of the car is, the suspension IS different than the GT3RS, and Porsche do know a thing or two about suspension setups. i'm willing to bet that the 2RS as-is, even if not fully rose jointed as claimed, is a better setup than majority of fully rose-jointed cars out there, while at the same time being comfy.

that's what struck me most about the car when i drove it, over the power. it was how nice the ride was, given what it is capable of on track (in the right hands, certainly not mine).

So, long winded way of saying: Porsche, you lied and the car isn't specced exactly as you said (though remember, my video was not an official marketing video, and had i not posted it, this issue may never have arisen... maybe)... but WTF, the car blows everything out of the water on track, while being more comfy than the GT2 it replaces.

well, just my 2 cents.

carry on gents!

P.S. if Manthey meant what they said, then... damn... Porsche really hit one out of the park this time

 

^^LOL. It's all your fault.

 

hehehe!

enjoy the car when it arrives dude... i'm sure you will

lucky b*stard!!! <-- green with envy

 

No doubt.

 

Porsche did that same exact thing with the $18,000 X50 option on the 996T. There are continous claims that "reinforced transmission" is not a different part number...

 

Tech intro says:

The rigid connection between the
chassis and the body, e.g. metal
support bearings with ball joints
at the front and the rigid crossmembers
at the rear, makes transmission
less elastic and ensures
more precise steering to enable

better handling.

http://www.porsche.com/microsite/ipa...911_GT2_RS.pdf