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Report: Next Porsche 911 GT3 To Get PDK-S Dual Clutch, Drop 200 Pounds

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Old 02-11-2011 | 12:44 AM
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Walter Röhrl pedal-dancing in Group B. Now that is some driving.

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Paddle shifting...yep...real boring...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPd0ATqvoJM

In a 2xxx lbs 600+ hp car on slicks you could make the trip out of the driveway look exciting. I bet he had twinkle toes on the accelerator though.

 
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PDK in a GT3 is really disappointing.. Especially if it isn't an option and you can't choose to have a proper manual gearbox..
 
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Too bad pdk isn't avail now so I could replace my 07 gt3 with a new one. I am tired of a stick after 30 yrs so will be looking at audi r8, gtr, etc this spring. Gt3 in 2014 maybe
 
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They have offered both options (PDK and manual) on the 997 MK II.
So why should they go from step 1 to step 3 on the next, all new GT3 without step 2? makes no sense.
They will offer both options like they did on the 997 MK II models imho.
 
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I got rid of my GTR because I don't like automatics especially that there is no traffic problems where i live. I have no problem with optional PDK but make that optional for people who prefers them. The GT3 is such a raw car and adding PDK would be the first step to take the car into a different direction.

I just hope they keep the current GT1 block. It's a race car proven engine and hate to see that go.
 
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The pdk and the 9a1 are a fact for the new gt3, I'm afraid.
I used to laugh at the pdk until I drove a pdk s on the track, extremely impressive to say the least. A 480hp pdk gt3 would be very tempting I have to admit.
 
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Frankly, I believe you and Mr. Preuninger more so than those web speculations heard from some un-name-able secret Porsche employees...

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Why would you believe them more?

1) An un-named employee is more likely to leak something than a high ranking officer, they don't have nearly as much to lose.
2) If Mr. P really reads these forums (I highly doubt it), then he would be very cautious about what he says to cc08gt2 since cc08gt2 posts what Mr. P says quoting his name.
3) From what cc08gt2 is saying, I take away that Mr. P has a preference for a standard manual box, but to even think that him and his buddies are making decisions based on what they "like" vs. what market demands is just silly.

Not trying to be a d**, but cc08gt2's talk w/Mr. P is not any more accurate than a Porsche mechanic's or anyone else's speculation - it's just that, speculation.

Separately, I've never driven anything other than a standard box in a sports car, but there is a reason why any just about any serious racing cars have had paddles or sequential shifters for a while.
 

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Why would you believe them more?

1) An un-named employee is more likely to leak something than a high ranking officer, they don't have nearly as much to lose.
2) If Mr. P really reads these forums (I highly doubt it), then he would be very cautious about what he says to cc08gt2 since cc08gt2 posts what Mr. P says quoting his name.
3) From what cc08gt2 is saying, I take away that Mr. P has a preference for a standard manual box, but to even think that him and his buddies are making decisions based on what they "like" vs. what market demands is just silly.

Not trying to be a d**, but cc08gt2's talk w/Mr. P is not any more accurate than a Porsche mechanic's or anyone else's speculation - it's just that, speculation.
Anonymous vs named and known people? Nothing to lose vs reputations at stake? Have you ever considered a company would seed various versions of information so they can identify a leaker? Have you ever considered some people just like to brag and appear to know something that they do not? Always amazes me the suspension of disbelief people are willing to enter into.

A.P.'s conversation with cc08gt2 was on the record. My conversation with A.P. was on the record. There was no need for "caution" as A.P. was well aware that the details of the conversations were going to be made public. After hours of conversation I asked A.P. what he did not to get into the public domain and he replied "nothing". He is responsible for every phase of R&D of GT2/3/Cup and you are trying to tell us his words are speculation?

The weight savings claims for the 991 are utterly ridiculous and simply not possible for a street car. That claim alone should have clued in any person reading it that the claims were someones work of fantasy.

You can believe whatever you want to (Tooth Fairy, Santa Clause) and lets come back to this thread and revisit it when the facts are released?

That is all I have to say in this thread.
 
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He is responsible for every phase of R&D of GT2/3/Cup and you are trying to tell us his words are speculation?
Not speculation, but possibly marketing...
 
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Anonymous vs named and known people? Nothing to lose vs reputations at stake? Have you ever considered a company would seed various versions of information so they can identify a leaker? Have you ever considered some people just like to brag and appear to know something that they do not? Always amazes me the suspension of disbelief people are willing to enter into.

A.P.'s conversation with cc08gt2 was on the record. My conversation with A.P. was on the record. There was no need for "caution" as A.P. was well aware that the details of the conversations were going to be made public. After hours of conversation I asked A.P. what he did not to get into the public domain and he replied "nothing". He is responsible for every phase of R&D of GT2/3/Cup and you are trying to tell us his words are speculation?

The weight savings claims for the 991 are utterly ridiculous and simply not possible for a street car. That claim alone should have clued in any person reading it that the claims were someones work of fantasy.

You can believe whatever you want to (Tooth Fairy, Santa Clause) and lets come back to this thread and revisit it when the facts are released?

That is all I have to say in this thread.
I think you may have missed the point of my post. I'm not supporting one side vs. the other nor do I care about the specs of this car. I'm merely stating that regardless of the source, unless it is an official mfg release, the information is a bunch of hearsay and could have been seeded for a plethora of reasons.

That said, what do you mean you talked "on record"?
 
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Not trying to be a d**, but cc08gt2's talk w/Mr. P is not any more accurate than a Porsche mechanic's or anyone else's speculation - it's just that, speculation.
When a top executive (like Mr. Preuninger) in a public corporation (like Porsche) speaks, Mr. Preuninger is well aware that every word he says is liable and represents the company decision. Mr. Preuninger is a respectful figure in Porsche motorsport, he does not (and does not need to) speculate like an un-name-able employee.

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Originally Posted by cc08gt2
Anything you hear is speculation. This is not out and the RS department won't discuss. They have the greatest jobs in the world, and noone is willing to lose that job. I personally asked that question to Andreus Preuninger this last weekend, and there is noone higher up than him. He personally doesn't like the PDK and will not install it in his cars. It is too heavy, and he will take a screw out of a car if it saves weight.

Porsche reads these threads and they are amused at all the market speculation.
Thank god for that! I love my manual GT3RS.
 
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The RS department believes the manual is the pure driving experience. I bet we always get that option from the Sport division of Porsche. I can't say that they might not offer the PDK at some point, but it wouldn't shock me to see a Sequential option before the PDK. I don't know what they are offering, but noone in that department will speak a word about what's coming. So if anyone has "inside" information, they really don't have it.
 
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The RS department believes the manual is the pure driving experience. I bet we always get that option from the Sport division of Porsche. I can't say that they might not offer the PDK at some point, but it wouldn't shock me to see a Sequential option before the PDK. I don't know what they are offering, but noone in that department will speak a word about what's coming. So if anyone has "inside" information, they really don't have it.

I agree with that, Porsche does not leak information very often, especially not this early in the process. It's likely this unnamed guy, who even if working for Porsche, has no clue, like most of the employees. Porsche runs a very tight ship.

We are talking about a car that will come out in about 3 years from Porsche. To think that many people at all have any idea about what's coming is laughable.
 


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