first track event questions for new 2011 gt3
#32
I would hope for a 127,000 large I would be in good shape without worrying about brake fluid and pads with 2,500 miles. If so, maybe I should have gone with that Audi R8 v10 I was looking at with the way cooler interior and window to the engine located in a responsible and proper position? And I would hope the fellows at Stuttgart could deliver the thing with a proper alignment?? I hope you guys posting this stuff are just **** retentive. I am a veterinarian for god sakes with the need for a little break and rush from time to time and just don't want to end up in the trees/wall. Thanks for opinions none the less.
it is what was described as 'proper alignment'. it got nothing to do with factory.
best thing is to find a good local mechanic who knows racing cars and 997 gt3 cars specifically and simply ask him to do a usual mixed DE-street setup.
#33
Also suggest you get windshield protection (Nascar peel off layers from Pro-tint) as well as clear bra paintwork protection if you are tracking . I just got the windshield protection film applied over last winter to prevent rock chips on windshield.
#35
I wonder if something changed for MY 2010 and beyond because the manual for my '11 RS has one set of alignment specs for track and street use. And it specifically states that the same settings should be used on track and street.
#36
FWIW, the well-meaning folks on this forum gave you TOO much advice.
All you need to do is show up and drive the car. Nothing else.
Just my $02, but I have been to several hundred HPDE's.
Mr. B
All you need to do is show up and drive the car. Nothing else.
Just my $02, but I have been to several hundred HPDE's.
Mr. B
#37
Agreed..
Lots of guys I used to race on bikes had expensive Ohlins rear suspension and forks, blue printed motors, lightweight wheels, fancy exhaust, carbon fiber fairings, etc and could not use 8/10ths of the bike in stock form and I used to laugh passing them on a basically stock motor with upgraded brakes and suspension mods only. For some novices, the more sophisticated suspension parts required more knowledge than they had to really use and almost can make the situation worse.
Technique and experience always trumps expensive upgrades only. Just my opinion and we all have those, but I would spend cash on track time, good tires and lessons and once i got good, then spend some cash on mods that make my car faster once I could use the extra speed. Faster cars are harder to drive than slow ones.....why? because everything happens faster.....
Good luck out there!!
#38
GT# new to track
I considered my response, and kept it simple. If the OP were to run street tire pressures, the pressures can get into the 50 psi range very easily on track. At these pressures it is hard to have fun while the car gets squirrely.
#39
if he will get on a track with rear toe out of whack in 1.x area what was seen on some cars from ractory he may not have anything of rear tires left at the end of the day. alignment only costs $150, new tires set is $1500+.
#40
thanks guys for your opinions and advice. My thought would be to have my local dealership set the car up for a moderately aggressive tract alignment as to give me a little less understeer(which I was frustrated with in my turbo) without excessive tire wear for the street. I really want my first experience with this car to be positive and build my confidence. I really hate having to back off when you want and should get on it. You know what I talking about?
#41
Like Mr. B said and many others have concurred, don't do anything to the car before driving it on the track first at factory recommended tire pressures, and stock alignment. Acclimate yourself to the baseline settings first and learn the car and calibrate your butt sensors to this new car. You are not going to get understeer out of your Gt3 compared to the Turbo (unless the alignment is really screwed up from the factory!). The recommended pressures are based on Porsche engineers testing and validating the N0, N1, etc tires that come with the car. Those pressures are going to give best wear servicelife, grip levels etc. for a car that is driven on the streets and highways of Germany. Using the 29F and 31 R pressures , when heated up after 2 laps the pressures go to 34F and 37R). My tires are evenly worn all around after 12 track days. Never had any problems with grip. Steel brake lines are not necessary nor beneficial in any way over factory rubber lines. Steel brake lines have to be checked frequently for vibration induced loosening and OEM rubber lines are superior from Porsche if fresh (less than 5 years old). The advice about getting professional coaching (improving the driver) instead of spending money modifying the new car is the best advice given so far.
#42
THank you sir!
Like Mr. B said and many others have concurred, don't do anything to the car before driving it on the track first at factory recommended tire pressures, and stock alignment. Acclimate yourself to the baseline settings first and learn the car and calibrate your butt sensors to this new car. You are not going to get understeer out of your Gt3 compared to the Turbo (unless the alignment is really screwed up from the factory!). The recommended pressures are based on Porsche engineers testing and validating the N0, N1, etc tires that come with the car. Those pressures are going to give best wear servicelife, grip levels etc. for a car that is driven on the streets and highways of Germany. Using the 29F and 31 R pressures , when heated up after 2 laps the pressures go to 34F and 37R). My tires are evenly worn all around after 12 track days. Never had any problems with grip. Steel brake lines are not necessary nor beneficial in any way over factory rubber lines. Steel brake lines have to be checked frequently for vibration induced loosening and OEM rubber lines are superior from Porsche if fresh (less than 5 years old). The advice about getting professional coaching (improving the driver) instead of spending money modifying the new car is the best advice given so far.
#43
Walk Down the hill, dont run
thanks guys for your opinions and advice. My thought would be to have my local dealership set the car up for a moderately aggressive tract alignment as to give me a little less understeer(which I was frustrated with in my turbo) without excessive tire wear for the street. I really want my first experience with this car to be positive and build my confidence. I really hate having to back off when you want and should get on it. You know what I talking about?
By no means being critical and appreciate the sentiment, but have seen more than my fair share of novice license guys, and for sure provisional novice guys, get in over their heads early on trying to prove themselves and make massive mistakes. My endurance racing partner did just that at Road Atlanta in his first year in the expert class and not only broke his arm and collar bone, but managed to total our endurance bike as well. He was going faster and faster throughout the race and his confidence was building, but I knew he was beginning to push beyond his experience base and finally got in over his head. Now granted you dont get better by not pushing yourself, but its takes hours on the track to really get good. So manage your own expectations is all I am saying. Take it slow and work your way up, its still sick fun just to be on the track!
#44
Thanks for the advice turbodogue and others. I will heed you warnings and suggestions. The last thing I want to do is get hurt or hurt others or damage my car or anyone else's. i certainly have gone off track occasionally without significant harm and quite honestly I have learned more about my limits and car's limits with such off road excursions. I do recognize the danger of being overconfident and allowing the "red fog" of friendly competition affect your better judgement.
#45
standard stock brake lines are more than sufficient.