That is an absolute ridiculous price! Shouldn't pay a dime over $105k for the car.

 

in my opinion I would keep looking for a nice 997, I wouldnt even be bothered with the 991 untill it says gt3 on the back.

There are a bunch of good deals to be had in the gt3997 market and I think in this next month or two you will start to see somemore pop up. This thread had some good advice in it, I just re read the whole thing the other night. Stay true and keep looking.

 

After reading this thread, it sounds like a large portion of the posters are trying to talk down the market or are frustrated the market isn't at their budget. WTF does it matter what this dealer asks for the car? It's their car. That business. It's their problem. Pissing and moaning about their business decision is silly.

 

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my opinion is that 125k for a gt3 is too much. dealers asking this kinda money are nuts.

 

The .2 gt3 engine is much better than the .1. The added torque alone is worth it and the top end rush more fierce. The first thing anyone notices after driving both is how much more torquey the new engine is. DEMs are an item I would consider a must have whether tracking or not. .2s are much more planted when cornering hard as well as more compliant when trolling. Brakes are lighter, bigger and better, sculpted cut-outs rather than inserts, the list goes on. RMS has been corrected as well. Even the exhaust note is better.

With that said, my .2 white Full Leather, SPP, DEM, Crests, BT, etc.. is for sale. Cherry car with 5500 miles, clear bra ($2800) in the right places and done right. Extremely well cared for, with proper warm up AND cool down. Proper break-in, oil changes, etc.. and no track. < $110k.

 

Where do you get your numbers from?? The PDK, SC w/LC, PDCC and PCCB Carrera S only matched the 10/11 gt3 ~ not "bested" it~ at the Ring and that was one lap. Try three or four laps and let's see how those 991 S rotors (the iron ones) hold up relative to the 15" gt3 rotors. Even with PDK, PCCBs and SC/LC the S was still .04 slower to 100 than a manual 10 gt3. With all those acronyms and that kind of MSRP, I might have expected better.

I really dig the 991 and love the technology but get real with the numbers. Remove LC alone and the S will fall further behind in any speed run. On top of all this the aforementioned 991S had a MSRP of >$130k as opposed to $120k for a similarly equipped .2 gt3.

The spread between a .1 and .2 3 should be $20k for a similarly optioned car. Even then I'd pick the .2 as it is that much better. You can argue that I own one and that's fine but facts are facts. The .2 3 had more refinements over the .1 than some complete model changes.

 

A stripper, non DEM, 17k mile gt3 went in the mid $90ks in mid Dec. (Xmas!), what does that prove? Any smart buyer wants DEM for the residual if nothing else. Non DEM cars bring less money and have fewer prospects. 17k on .2s is well above the norm. I kind of doubt it was a cream puff either, but who knows.

Damn, if this car sold for $94k Xmas week, I better raise my price.

And, if you think prices will get better with spring coming, you probably wrong. Most gt guys may admire the 991, but they aren't stroking checks for one. Once you go GT you don't go back. There is always an exception of course. With the 991 GT3 2 years out, there's still time before we see another price drop. If I never sold my car, I'd be as happy, as it is the best car I have ever owned; and I've owned a few.

 

WOW!!! - now this thread is getting interesting...

"After reading this thread, it sounds like a large portion of the posters are trying to talk down the market or are frustrated the market isn't at their budget. WTF does it matter what this dealers asks for the car? It's their car. That business. It's their problem. Pissing and moaning about their business decisions is silly."

- Sounds more like you're pissing and moaning about your own business decisions to be sitting on more than half a mil of somewhat ordinary cars and worried about selling someday ...but, hey, that's just my opinion.

This thread is pretty clearly a thread trying to help buyers buy a GT3 right - sorry if you're not buying - I guess you'll have to make the mkt work for you like I'm hoping to make it work for me. personally, I'd like to be well educated and armed with the best due diligence & recent sales #'s that I can possibly get access to when making this purchase.

<Am I crazy, or is that's what we're sharing here???>

There are plenty of buyers that just BUY, buy, buy (from the looks of your garage you're that guy - and more power to bro) - I'm just looking to mutually share some info. and utilize social media to get a better deal than you must be. There is loads of $ that has no idea what's going one here (on 6SO) - so, "don't be a hater bro" - bonuses are just around the corner and there will be plenty of uneducated buying going on.

Update - the $94k, '10 w/16k miles did have DEM - it was in very good shape cosmetically and ran clean on a cold day... that's all I can tell you - Once more, I was just sharing a sale - not trying to dump the market.

As for numbers and 991 comparisons - my point is, and has been - I (as in ME) think the market will move w/the intro of the 991. I'll be here next month and the month after ...so we'll have plenty of time to see what happens.

 

LOL. So sayeth Mr. 20 post from Boston. Just showed up to the Forum and learning how it works. Welcome.

 

This sale must have fallen thru - I spoke with dealer 2 weeks ago and this car had been purchased/maybe "under contract (as noted in earlier post) - However, I did ask about the holes in the front fender and he said new owner had sent it out to the body shop bc previous owner hadn't used tow mounted plate holder - nice car - comparing it to the $117 recent sale - the $117 was same color, had PCCB, and 1/3 of the mileage...

 

Thanks, its nice to be here - it'll be nicer to "really be here" (as an owner one day). Cheers! #22

 

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So you aren't an owner, and I have "somewhat ordinary" cars. I can't stop laughing. I'm not too worried about what I'm selling those "ordinary" cars for either.

 

All for the "help" as you say, to the gt3 buyers. So, glad you are taking the time. 23 posts and counting. Those reps points should be adding up fast.

As far as educating anyone, maybe you should consider offering facts rather than fiction as to real performance numbers and improvements from car to car.

Frankly, the market is what it is. If my sells for close to what I want, cool, if not I may trade for a 991 gt3/Rs or simply keep. It's all good , "bro".