Trade my 2012 GT-R for 997.1 GT3?
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06-24-2012 | 07:28 PM
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Skip it. Been down a similar road (track prepped .2 CS an moved to .2 GT3). The Cayman is a fantastic platform. if they made a GT variant, I would probably hand Porsche a blank check. But the don't. There are options for motor swaps and turbos but none will ever have OEM reliability or fit/finish. As i've gotten older, I prefer mostly stock cars. After enjoying the Cayman for 2 years, I just wanted more power a better suspension setup. I could have done that in the CS but preferred to spend that money upgrading to the GT3. The GT3 is a lot more car and very enjoyable as-is. For me, it is the perfect solution.
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06-24-2012 | 07:59 PM
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Skip it. Been down a similar road (track prepped .2 CS an moved to .2 GT3). The Cayman is a fantastic platform. if they made a GT variant, I would probably hand Porsche a blank check. But the don't. There are options for motor swaps and turbos but none will ever have OEM reliability or fit/finish. As i've gotten older, I prefer mostly stock cars. After enjoying the Cayman for 2 years, I just wanted more power a better suspension setup. I could have done that in the CS but preferred to spend that money upgrading to the GT3. The GT3 is a lot more car and very enjoyable as-is. For me, it is the perfect solution.
Here's to Porsche giving the Cayman the treatment it deserves.
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06-28-2012 | 10:56 AM
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+1 But wait for the Gen V Viper to come out in a few months. 640HP with much improved interior and seats from Sabelt (Ferrari uses them).
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06-29-2012 | 02:13 AM
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A properly sampled CD (although converted to digital) can more accurately reproduce an actual sound. It is converted, but is an advancement in technology that can be more easily experienced multiple times.
An analog copy is an accurate copy, but the playback itself is distorted (because of limits of technology).
There is no way in hell you're going to convince people that vinyl is the way to go, when a SACD offers almost infinitely more clear playback. The key here is playback (what is heard), not the recording method onto a given media (analog for vinyl, sampling and conversion for digital). Obviously, the actual sounds being recorded can only be experienced once with 0%THD. But newer media can reproduce that a LOT closer to 0% than vinyl.
Because playback is what we experience.
In driving, there are advancements in technology that allow a better experience. If you like hearing the imperfections of the vinyl, try driving a Lotus Elan or 240Z. The thing about LeMans style starts, is it brought into the foray a few different aspects that are lost on cars nowadays - such as the ability to start.
People have different experiences in audio, as well as driving, because no two people hear or experience things the same. Some prefer the art of hand cranking a car to start, some may miss the manual oil pumps (some vehicles required a passenger for this), or hand clutches, etc...
I liked the OP's perspective, because he used his own preferences and opinions to generate his outlook... He didn't say 'x' car sucks at the track, or 'y' is better. He stated that his experiences didn't elicit a certain response. Because this is unique, there is no right or wrong answer, only his answer.
I believe the advancements (developed primarily in racing) for cars have helped improve my experiences. I mean - there are people that like the danger of driving a car that has potential and almost a desire to kill them (F40, GT2RS, C5Z06, etc...). I, personally, do not. I enjoy the drive, not the thrill of danger. I prefer roller coasters that have been safety tested, not ones that we aren't sure if it will fall off the tracks or not.
An analog copy is an accurate copy, but the playback itself is distorted (because of limits of technology).
There is no way in hell you're going to convince people that vinyl is the way to go, when a SACD offers almost infinitely more clear playback. The key here is playback (what is heard), not the recording method onto a given media (analog for vinyl, sampling and conversion for digital). Obviously, the actual sounds being recorded can only be experienced once with 0%THD. But newer media can reproduce that a LOT closer to 0% than vinyl.
Because playback is what we experience.
In driving, there are advancements in technology that allow a better experience. If you like hearing the imperfections of the vinyl, try driving a Lotus Elan or 240Z. The thing about LeMans style starts, is it brought into the foray a few different aspects that are lost on cars nowadays - such as the ability to start.
People have different experiences in audio, as well as driving, because no two people hear or experience things the same. Some prefer the art of hand cranking a car to start, some may miss the manual oil pumps (some vehicles required a passenger for this), or hand clutches, etc...
I liked the OP's perspective, because he used his own preferences and opinions to generate his outlook... He didn't say 'x' car sucks at the track, or 'y' is better. He stated that his experiences didn't elicit a certain response. Because this is unique, there is no right or wrong answer, only his answer.
I believe the advancements (developed primarily in racing) for cars have helped improve my experiences. I mean - there are people that like the danger of driving a car that has potential and almost a desire to kill them (F40, GT2RS, C5Z06, etc...). I, personally, do not. I enjoy the drive, not the thrill of danger. I prefer roller coasters that have been safety tested, not ones that we aren't sure if it will fall off the tracks or not.
back to cars. i have every iteration of RS and GT3 made. and my favorite is the 996gt3s. fugly as it is, it's "fun" to me. not as fast and not as easy to drive than 7.1 7.2 or 4.0 RS. but it's just more fun to ME. why? i have no freaking idea. but it really doesn't matter. these are passion driven. if we all used our brains, then we should all be driving honda accords. in many ways, an accord is far superior than GTR or GT3. but we buy these cars with our hearts. if one tries to "reason" and "justify" our purchase, then we are losing it.
test drive it. and if you like it, just buy it. when you get bored, sell and buy another.
this post is not directed at you, but i really like your point of view and thought i post another counter point ....
#65
06-30-2012 | 06:46 AM
I liken it to shoes, or seats, or the women men date. 
As I posted earlier, we like what we like. But the "power" a car makes shouldn't mean a thing if you can't extract and use it. I've had several of my friends from the 996TT community ask me offline if I miss the power from my 650BHP monster and the truth is that I don't, on the street. I also suspect I won't at the track. But this isn't my first momentum car and won't be my last.
If you are a reasonably competent and capable driver, you're going to be fast in whatever you drive. I've jumped into a number of platforms and been relatively quick in all of them, on street tires, keeping pace with others in far faster machines and on far superior tires. The analogy of vinyl is a great one. But at the end of the day it's all about what each of us looks to experience in our cars.
Some love the technology in these newer cars. I looked at a large number of different makes and models, from Audi to Chevy, to Nissan and most of the cars that intrigued me were just turnoffs by their size and weight. I wanted a car that didn’t mute the drivers interaction of the driver’s experience.
That’s why I ended up buying a 6GT3. For others, it’s probably a poor choice as a “fun weekend car” and occasional daily driver. However, to me it’s THE PERFECT car that will allow me the ability to go out and track the car if I choose and allow me to walk away at the end of the day knowing that it was my driving ability that allowed me to run with the faster drivers, or not. No excuses from them about “all that power” and “drag racing down the straights”… And all you guys with high HP cars, you and I both know they say it, even when you’re not there to hear it. They say it.
As I posted earlier, we like what we like. But the "power" a car makes shouldn't mean a thing if you can't extract and use it. I've had several of my friends from the 996TT community ask me offline if I miss the power from my 650BHP monster and the truth is that I don't, on the street. I also suspect I won't at the track. But this isn't my first momentum car and won't be my last.
If you are a reasonably competent and capable driver, you're going to be fast in whatever you drive. I've jumped into a number of platforms and been relatively quick in all of them, on street tires, keeping pace with others in far faster machines and on far superior tires. The analogy of vinyl is a great one. But at the end of the day it's all about what each of us looks to experience in our cars.
Some love the technology in these newer cars. I looked at a large number of different makes and models, from Audi to Chevy, to Nissan and most of the cars that intrigued me were just turnoffs by their size and weight. I wanted a car that didn’t mute the drivers interaction of the driver’s experience.
That’s why I ended up buying a 6GT3. For others, it’s probably a poor choice as a “fun weekend car” and occasional daily driver. However, to me it’s THE PERFECT car that will allow me the ability to go out and track the car if I choose and allow me to walk away at the end of the day knowing that it was my driving ability that allowed me to run with the faster drivers, or not. No excuses from them about “all that power” and “drag racing down the straights”… And all you guys with high HP cars, you and I both know they say it, even when you’re not there to hear it. They say it.
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06-30-2012 | 01:10 PM
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Mooty has had either 6 or 7 of the Fugly 
6GT3's and is probably looking for the next one. I am a faster learner and only on my 2nd fugly 6GT3 and I will probably be buried in it. I get other cars as 1 car isn't enough but always go back to the Fugly one 
Peter
6GT3's and is probably looking for the next one. I am a faster learner and only on my 2nd fugly 6GT3 and I will probably be buried in it. I get other cars as 1 car isn't enough but always go back to the Fugly one Peter
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08-01-2012 | 07:15 PM
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I've owned a 996.1 GT3, 997.1 GT3, 997.2 GT3, a GT2 class Pcar Track car and my 2012 GTR was faster than all of them on the track, as well as being a MUCH better daily driver in all conditions.
The GTR holds resale value better than ALL cars in its category.
All that being said, my GTR is gone and I am in search of a GT2 RS.
As many have stated prior, driving the GTR is an INSULATING experience when compared to any of the P cars. You can turn a fast lap time, but at the end you're left trying to figure out how you got there, or how the car got there. With a P car, you know how you got there, because you took place in every second of it.
Go to a GT3 and you'll never look back.
The GTR holds resale value better than ALL cars in its category.
All that being said, my GTR is gone and I am in search of a GT2 RS.
As many have stated prior, driving the GTR is an INSULATING experience when compared to any of the P cars. You can turn a fast lap time, but at the end you're left trying to figure out how you got there, or how the car got there. With a P car, you know how you got there, because you took place in every second of it.
Go to a GT3 and you'll never look back.
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08-01-2012 | 07:46 PM
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I've owned a 996.1 GT3, 997.1 GT3, 997.2 GT3, a GT2 class Pcar Track car and my 2012 GTR was faster than all of them on the track, as well as being a MUCH better daily driver in all conditions.
The GTR holds resale value better than ALL cars in its category.
All that being said, my GTR is gone and I am in search of a GT2 RS.
As many have stated prior, driving the GTR is an INSULATING experience when compared to any of the P cars. You can turn a fast lap time, but at the end you're left trying to figure out how you got there, or how the car got there. With a P car, you know how you got there, because you took place in every second of it.
Go to a GT3 and you'll never look back.
The GTR holds resale value better than ALL cars in its category.
All that being said, my GTR is gone and I am in search of a GT2 RS.
As many have stated prior, driving the GTR is an INSULATING experience when compared to any of the P cars. You can turn a fast lap time, but at the end you're left trying to figure out how you got there, or how the car got there. With a P car, you know how you got there, because you took place in every second of it.
Go to a GT3 and you'll never look back.
Well said.
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