View Poll Results: Which is the better choice?
Go for the GT3
40
51.28%
Get the Z06 and spend the $15k savings on mods
15
19.23%
Get a 996 turbo instead
23
29.49%
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GT3 or C6 Z06: Which is the better weekend car?
#16
The TT feels a bit numb to me. Obviously this is a result of AWD. When you say weekend driving will it be 2 hours, or weekend trips where you are in the car for 4+. For 2 hours get the GT3, for trips get the TT. JMO though.
#17
Re: 996 tt or GT3
Originally posted by GeorgeJ
Hi guys,
Thanks for the feedback. I don't know why this decision is so difficult for me to make. I have driven the turbo a lot, but feel it needs an edge. I have driven the GT3 a handful of times and love it's intensity and how it handles, but wonder if it is too hardcore for me over the long haul. I really am on the fence on this one. Here are the qualities I love of both cars:
Fun to drive: GT3 (It is a much more intense driving experience to me)
>>> You can mod the tt to be very intense trust me!
Sound: GT3 (I like the rawness of the engine and exhaust)
>>>> Simple fix with a FABSPEED loud exhaust.
Handling: GT3 (I prefer RWD to AWD, but will PSS9's bring the two much closer?)
>>>> Easily fixed with coil over suspension, sway bars, etc... Will handle much better not every quite as good as the GT3 because it is heavier but much better.
Appearance: 996 turbo (I love the turbo flares)
>>>> Subjective
Interior: 996 turbo (I prefer the fulll leather interior, Bose and etc)
>>>>> Definately wins for weekend comfort, can add harnesses, etc... for track use.
Modability: 996 turbo (Stage 4 Can a few mods make the turbo a lot edgier like the GT3?)
>>>> No contest tt all the way!
Practicality: 996 turbo (Back seat may be helpful for my kids)
>>>>> Try putting 2 kids in the back of your GT3!
Also, I only attend a few track events a year, so track performance is not paramount.
Please keep the advice coming. Thanks!!
Hi guys,
Thanks for the feedback. I don't know why this decision is so difficult for me to make. I have driven the turbo a lot, but feel it needs an edge. I have driven the GT3 a handful of times and love it's intensity and how it handles, but wonder if it is too hardcore for me over the long haul. I really am on the fence on this one. Here are the qualities I love of both cars:
Fun to drive: GT3 (It is a much more intense driving experience to me)
>>> You can mod the tt to be very intense trust me!
Sound: GT3 (I like the rawness of the engine and exhaust)
>>>> Simple fix with a FABSPEED loud exhaust.
Handling: GT3 (I prefer RWD to AWD, but will PSS9's bring the two much closer?)
>>>> Easily fixed with coil over suspension, sway bars, etc... Will handle much better not every quite as good as the GT3 because it is heavier but much better.
Appearance: 996 turbo (I love the turbo flares)
>>>> Subjective
Interior: 996 turbo (I prefer the fulll leather interior, Bose and etc)
>>>>> Definately wins for weekend comfort, can add harnesses, etc... for track use.
Modability: 996 turbo (Stage 4 Can a few mods make the turbo a lot edgier like the GT3?)
>>>> No contest tt all the way!
Practicality: 996 turbo (Back seat may be helpful for my kids)
>>>>> Try putting 2 kids in the back of your GT3!
Also, I only attend a few track events a year, so track performance is not paramount.
Please keep the advice coming. Thanks!!
The bottom line is for mostly track use the GT3 is the clear winner, for occasional truck use with mostly street driving tt all the way. My tt would have no problem on a track against a GT3 yet it still has all the creature comforts of a weekend cruiser.
Personally I like the GT2 better than the 3 for the fact you can add more power to the GT2. After you experience the power of the DARK SIDE there is no turning back!
#18
GT3
Based on the 1st and 2nd criteria of your initial post, I'd say GT3. It's just a more exiting and involving drive, though most of us have not yet driven the Z06. I agree with Shiggins comments.
#19
The GT3 World is full of former TT owners. I wonder why?
If you like DRIVING you are going to spend alot of money on a TT
getting it like a GT3 (Ask me how I know!) If you are just going to cruise fast get the TT. its like a shot gun-it will blow everything out of the water, but if youre want to be a better marksman you'll get a rifle. The TT is like a baseball bat, the GT3 is a scapel. If you fall in love with the track like I did then the GT3 is the answer.
I spent $20K modding my TT and then sold it for the GT3 and have spent 0 milliseconds regretting it. ( it still did not drive as well as the GT3)
If you like DRIVING you are going to spend alot of money on a TT
getting it like a GT3 (Ask me how I know!) If you are just going to cruise fast get the TT. its like a shot gun-it will blow everything out of the water, but if youre want to be a better marksman you'll get a rifle. The TT is like a baseball bat, the GT3 is a scapel. If you fall in love with the track like I did then the GT3 is the answer.
I spent $20K modding my TT and then sold it for the GT3 and have spent 0 milliseconds regretting it. ( it still did not drive as well as the GT3)
#20
You guys have not made things any easier on me. It appears both the GT3 and tubo have positive attributes.
How close will adding PSS9s and upgraded swaybars to the twin turbo bring it to the GT3's handling ability?
Is disconnecting the front drive axle on the turbo a viable modification?
Also, increasing the boost on the turbo sound like lots of fun.
I am still on the fence, but now I am considering a modified turbo versus a stock one.
Thanks again.
How close will adding PSS9s and upgraded swaybars to the twin turbo bring it to the GT3's handling ability?
Is disconnecting the front drive axle on the turbo a viable modification?
Also, increasing the boost on the turbo sound like lots of fun.
I am still on the fence, but now I am considering a modified turbo versus a stock one.
Thanks again.
#21
Premium for mods
Hi guys,
In the event I deceide to locate a modified 996 turbo, how much is the premium over stock?
I have heard that sellers only get 20 cents on the dollar for modifications. Is this correct or is it more or less?
It would be great to find a turbo with $40-50k in mods and only pay a $10k premium.
Also, the higher the MSRP for a specific car, does it bring much more in the resale market? I know the X50 commands a premium, but the PCCBs sound like they are more of a liability.
If I decided on a GT3, I would look for one with a lot more options versus a base example and want to know if there is much of a difference in price on the resale market.
Thanks again.
In the event I deceide to locate a modified 996 turbo, how much is the premium over stock?
I have heard that sellers only get 20 cents on the dollar for modifications. Is this correct or is it more or less?
It would be great to find a turbo with $40-50k in mods and only pay a $10k premium.
Also, the higher the MSRP for a specific car, does it bring much more in the resale market? I know the X50 commands a premium, but the PCCBs sound like they are more of a liability.
If I decided on a GT3, I would look for one with a lot more options versus a base example and want to know if there is much of a difference in price on the resale market.
Thanks again.
#22
Re: Premium for mods
Originally posted by GeorgeJ
Hi guys,
In the event I deceide to locate a modified 996 turbo, how much is the premium over stock?
I have heard that sellers only get 20 cents on the dollar for modifications. Is this correct or is it more or less?
It would be great to find a turbo with $40-50k in mods and only pay a $10k premium.
Also, the higher the MSRP for a specific car, does it bring much more in the resale market? I know the X50 commands a premium, but the PCCBs sound like they are more of a liability.
If I decided on a GT3, I would look for one with a lot more options versus a base example and want to know if there is much of a difference in price on the resale market.
Thanks again.
Hi guys,
In the event I deceide to locate a modified 996 turbo, how much is the premium over stock?
I have heard that sellers only get 20 cents on the dollar for modifications. Is this correct or is it more or less?
It would be great to find a turbo with $40-50k in mods and only pay a $10k premium.
Also, the higher the MSRP for a specific car, does it bring much more in the resale market? I know the X50 commands a premium, but the PCCBs sound like they are more of a liability.
If I decided on a GT3, I would look for one with a lot more options versus a base example and want to know if there is much of a difference in price on the resale market.
Thanks again.
The bottom line is this:
The Z06 will out perform the tt and GT3, no if and or but's.
The Porsche have the quality edge and the cache(for now although they are building a zillion of them).
The Porsche if tracked and something goes wrong related to track work you can forget about any warranty coverage.
The Z06 can be tracked and has warranty coverage.
The Porsche's at least in the US depreciate probably faster than any car and since they are about 40% higher in cost, the financial beating you will take will be epic.
Make no mistake, for now the Porsche reputation regarding performance and quality remains high and the marque has some value. However look behind the reputation and get the facts you probably will save yourself a lot of money and grief.
#23
Re: Re: Premium for mods
Originally posted by nberry
Hey George who are you kidding? You wanted a Porsche all along otherwise you would not have posted a survey on a Porshe site.
The bottom line is this:
The Z06 will out perform the tt and GT3, no if and or but's.
The Porsche have the quality edge and the cache(for now although they are building a zillion of them).
The Porsche if tracked and something goes wrong related to track work you can forget about any warranty coverage.
The Z06 can be tracked and has warranty coverage.
The Porsche's at least in the US depreciate probably faster than any car and since they are about 40% higher in cost, the financial beating you will take will be epic.
Make no mistake, for now the Porsche reputation regarding performance and quality remains high and the marque has some value. However look behind the reputation and get the facts you probably will save yourself a lot of money and grief.
Hey George who are you kidding? You wanted a Porsche all along otherwise you would not have posted a survey on a Porshe site.
The bottom line is this:
The Z06 will out perform the tt and GT3, no if and or but's.
The Porsche have the quality edge and the cache(for now although they are building a zillion of them).
The Porsche if tracked and something goes wrong related to track work you can forget about any warranty coverage.
The Z06 can be tracked and has warranty coverage.
The Porsche's at least in the US depreciate probably faster than any car and since they are about 40% higher in cost, the financial beating you will take will be epic.
Make no mistake, for now the Porsche reputation regarding performance and quality remains high and the marque has some value. However look behind the reputation and get the facts you probably will save yourself a lot of money and grief.
Well I don't know about the first part (warranty)
But you have to be making a joke on depreciation? I sold a 8 year old 993 that had an original List price of 71k.....for 53K this past Jan......What do you think a 8 yr old vette would cost?
Building a zillion? there are less than a thousand GT3 for MY 04 and 05 in the US
Out performe not questions asked? I have a question.......How do you know? You driven one?.......last I heard they have yet to sell one.
Now I know it sure sounds like an awesome car, we hear the same about every Z06.
I can tell you this. Me in my MY 04 GT3 toasted the *** of an 04 Z06 at the last DE I ran in.
#24
GT3...no question. At first I wasn't sure myself, drove the GT3 around town and really wasn't that impressed. But then drove it again and again, and now I could not imagine it any other way! The car is great fun to drive on the track and takes care of business otherwise.
I also considered a Z06 (although it was the 405HP C5). I had money down and went for a test drive. And I must admit, it was the single most disappointing experience I can recall. I read all the specs, checked all the forums, read the articles and felt the Z06 would be a great value, but instead it was a great disappointment. I mean that sincerely, I really did want to buy the corvette.
Now once again, the new C6 Z06 reads like a dream, but I suspect it will be more of the same. Yes, its a good value, and yes, it will probably beat my butt at the track. But every day when I return to my garage and see that GT3 a great big smile returns to my face.
Get the GT3...no really, I mean it.
I also considered a Z06 (although it was the 405HP C5). I had money down and went for a test drive. And I must admit, it was the single most disappointing experience I can recall. I read all the specs, checked all the forums, read the articles and felt the Z06 would be a great value, but instead it was a great disappointment. I mean that sincerely, I really did want to buy the corvette.
Now once again, the new C6 Z06 reads like a dream, but I suspect it will be more of the same. Yes, its a good value, and yes, it will probably beat my butt at the track. But every day when I return to my garage and see that GT3 a great big smile returns to my face.
Get the GT3...no really, I mean it.
#25
Re: Re: Re: Premium for mods
Originally posted by Rolo
Well I don't know about the first part (warranty)
But you have to be making a joke on depreciation? I sold a 8 year old 993 that had an original List price of 71k.....for 53K this past Jan......What do you think a 8 yr old vette would cost?
Building a zillion? there are less than a thousand GT3 for MY 04 and 05 in the US
Out performe not questions asked? I have a question.......How do you know? You driven one?.......last I heard they have yet to sell one.
Now I know it sure sounds like an awesome car, we hear the same about every Z06.
I can tell you this. Me in my MY 04 GT3 toasted the *** of an 04 Z06 at the last DE I ran in.
Well I don't know about the first part (warranty)
But you have to be making a joke on depreciation? I sold a 8 year old 993 that had an original List price of 71k.....for 53K this past Jan......What do you think a 8 yr old vette would cost?
Building a zillion? there are less than a thousand GT3 for MY 04 and 05 in the US
Out performe not questions asked? I have a question.......How do you know? You driven one?.......last I heard they have yet to sell one.
Now I know it sure sounds like an awesome car, we hear the same about every Z06.
I can tell you this. Me in my MY 04 GT3 toasted the *** of an 04 Z06 at the last DE I ran in.
Regarding depreciation have you bought a 996 and tried to sell it? Have you any idea how bad the 996 AND 997 resale market is?
Finally, regarding toasting a 04 Z06, I can tell you officially the GT3 can barely run with a TT and with Ron Fellows driving the 2004 Z06 and Hurley Haywood driving the 2004 TT the Z06 toasted the TT.
I will say this about the GT3 it probably is the best sport car Porsche has on the market but it is no match for a Z06 especially the 2006 model.
Accept what many of you refuse to acknowledge, the Corvette C06 and Z06 are better performing sport cars than most if not all European sport cars. Continue to pay Porsche prices and tell yourself how good it is.
#26
Re: Re: Re: Re: Premium for mods
Originally posted by nberry
The z06 ring time of 7.43 is about 15=20 sec. faster than the GT3 or TT.
Regarding depreciation have you bought a 996 and tried to sell it? Have you any idea how bad the 996 AND 997 resale market is?
Finally, regarding toasting a 04 Z06, I can tell you officially the GT3 can barely run with a TT and with Ron Fellows driving the 2004 Z06 and Hurley Haywood driving the 2004 TT the Z06 toasted the TT.
I will say this about the GT3 it probably is the best sport car Porsche has on the market but it is no match for a Z06 especially the 2006 model.
Accept what many of you refuse to acknowledge, the Corvette C06 and Z06 are better performing sport cars than most if not all European sport cars. Continue to pay Porsche prices and tell yourself how good it is.
The z06 ring time of 7.43 is about 15=20 sec. faster than the GT3 or TT.
Regarding depreciation have you bought a 996 and tried to sell it? Have you any idea how bad the 996 AND 997 resale market is?
Finally, regarding toasting a 04 Z06, I can tell you officially the GT3 can barely run with a TT and with Ron Fellows driving the 2004 Z06 and Hurley Haywood driving the 2004 TT the Z06 toasted the TT.
I will say this about the GT3 it probably is the best sport car Porsche has on the market but it is no match for a Z06 especially the 2006 model.
Accept what many of you refuse to acknowledge, the Corvette C06 and Z06 are better performing sport cars than most if not all European sport cars. Continue to pay Porsche prices and tell yourself how good it is.
Well I can tell you MY GT3 can more than hold its own with the TTs, and has no problems with 04 ZO6s. Now my experience is all on the track.
I don't think anyone has said the new Z06 sucks, but we really don't know now do we?
if its everything its said to be, Great, I personaly think it looks super.. but up close the C6s I've seen in the show room still have that chevy quality. Fit an finish are not,,, shall we say, one of their strong suits.
As to resale, well only time will tell. If five years from now you can buy a GT3 cheaper than a ZO6 or even the same price. You'll have a point.
As to what "we" are telling ourselves......I can only speak for myself, but I don't want a vette, I've had ONE, and never again. Doesn't stir anything in me. And if you're looking for performance adjusted for price...Get a Subbie.
And It seems to me, we don't know what the Z06 will sell for, hell their getting 100k over MSRP for the Ford GT. So lets say you get your chevy and its 70 k, you add a couple options pay tax and you're inching your way to 78-80k (if its only 70k, dealer here told me 75k)....I paid 88 for my 3, IMO well worth the 8-10 extra.
#27
Re: Re: Premium for mods
Originally posted by nberry
Hey George who are you kidding? You wanted a Porsche all along otherwise you would not have posted a survey on a Porshe site.
The bottom line is this:
The Z06 will out perform the tt and GT3, no if and or but's.
The Porsche have the quality edge and the cache(for now although they are building a zillion of them).
The Porsche if tracked and something goes wrong related to track work you can forget about any warranty coverage.
The Z06 can be tracked and has warranty coverage.
The Porsche's at least in the US depreciate probably faster than any car and since they are about 40% higher in cost, the financial beating you will take will be epic.
Make no mistake, for now the Porsche reputation regarding performance and quality remains high and the marque has some value. However look behind the reputation and get the facts you probably will save yourself a lot of money and grief.
Hey George who are you kidding? You wanted a Porsche all along otherwise you would not have posted a survey on a Porshe site.
The bottom line is this:
The Z06 will out perform the tt and GT3, no if and or but's.
The Porsche have the quality edge and the cache(for now although they are building a zillion of them).
The Porsche if tracked and something goes wrong related to track work you can forget about any warranty coverage.
The Z06 can be tracked and has warranty coverage.
The Porsche's at least in the US depreciate probably faster than any car and since they are about 40% higher in cost, the financial beating you will take will be epic.
Make no mistake, for now the Porsche reputation regarding performance and quality remains high and the marque has some value. However look behind the reputation and get the facts you probably will save yourself a lot of money and grief.
Crawl back in the hole you just crawled out of, because no one is buying your **** here k?
#28
Given what you said (particularly weekend driver, canyon carver, couple track events)... this is an easy choice. GT3 is the way to go. If you wanted the car as a daily driver or for somethign along that line, the Turbo is more well suited, has more creature comforts, etc. If you love driving and you want something that's exciting everytime you get in, the GT3 is the way to go.
The Z06 is a monster, but just like past corvettes, it won't compare in terms of build quality, etc. I agree with one of the other posters in this thread that upon driving the C5, I was extremly disappointed, yeah it's fast, yeah it makes a lot of noise, but that's about it. Squeeks and rattles to beat the band, poor visibility, lifeless steering, miserable transmission, poor build quality.
Do you know why people always bring up the performance of the Corvette when comparing it to the imports? Becasue it's the ONLY thing it has going for it when you compare them.
Good luck with your descision!
Adam
The Z06 is a monster, but just like past corvettes, it won't compare in terms of build quality, etc. I agree with one of the other posters in this thread that upon driving the C5, I was extremly disappointed, yeah it's fast, yeah it makes a lot of noise, but that's about it. Squeeks and rattles to beat the band, poor visibility, lifeless steering, miserable transmission, poor build quality.
Do you know why people always bring up the performance of the Corvette when comparing it to the imports? Becasue it's the ONLY thing it has going for it when you compare them.
Good luck with your descision!
Adam
Last edited by Smoltz; 07-22-2005 at 09:27 AM.