991 GT3 RS to be PDK
#31
Porsches record events (such as RPM's, gears, speed, etc... - like in the past, the money shift, etc...). But now it can record elevated temps, duration, RPM's shifts, etc...
As far as let's say - a drag race (10 secs), and something fails then, how would Porsche prove it? I believe this becomes a gray area (if one fails to describe the situation accurately). I'd recommend not showing videos on youtube (and other obvious proof of racing/etc...). Manufacturers sometimes appoint organizations to frequent websites (such as this one) to look for information (also handled internally for some).
As far as let's say - a drag race (10 secs), and something fails then, how would Porsche prove it? I believe this becomes a gray area (if one fails to describe the situation accurately). I'd recommend not showing videos on youtube (and other obvious proof of racing/etc...). Manufacturers sometimes appoint organizations to frequent websites (such as this one) to look for information (also handled internally for some).
#32
Entirely possible, but could you imagine the legal disaster that would happen if Porsche was to dispute someone's whereabouts using this information?
#33
Not sure if you guys have seen some of the more interesting things. The new PDK is not much like the prior tranny. It is much faster and closer to a racing tranny. And the most interesting thing I saw was that you PULL either paddle to shift up and push EITHER paddle to shift down. Not sure how easy that will be.
Also that rear wheel steering should make for incredible lap times, but I just dread the complexity.
Also that rear wheel steering should make for incredible lap times, but I just dread the complexity.
#34
Not sure if you guys have seen some of the more interesting things. The new PDK is not much like the prior tranny. It is much faster and closer to a racing tranny. And the most interesting thing I saw was that you PULL either paddle to shift up and push EITHER paddle to shift down. Not sure how easy that will be.
Also that rear wheel steering should make for incredible lap times, but I just dread the complexity.
Also that rear wheel steering should make for incredible lap times, but I just dread the complexity.
Regarding the paddle buttons, I'm going to ignore that as well, because there are fixes for this weird configuration that make it more traditional.
So a driver could either learn the new way (could be easier for some), or for somebody who drives different cars often, there are options to replace the buttons with traditional paddles (how weird did that sound?).
#35
From the 2010 GT3 Owner's Manual -
Your vehicle warranty does not cover use in competition, racing or track use or other events. Components and/or parts that fail during racing or driving events (including Porsche sponsored events) will not be covered by the manufacturer new car limited warranty or the pre-owned vehicle warranty.
Your vehicle warranty does not cover use in competition, racing or track use or other events. Components and/or parts that fail during racing or driving events (including Porsche sponsored events) will not be covered by the manufacturer new car limited warranty or the pre-owned vehicle warranty.
#36
I know porsche is hyping that feature but IMO its just an effort to win over more of the manual tranny guys who took the car is too soft or too Carrera like. I don't think anyone has ever stepped out of a 991 PDK Carrera and said "Great ride, but it could really use a better/faster transmission." As it already is, even at track speeds when the PDK shifts mid corner it doesn't upset the car in the slightest.
#37
I know porsche is hyping that feature but IMO its just an effort to win over more of the manual tranny guys who took the car is too soft or too Carrera like. I don't think anyone has ever stepped out of a 991 PDK Carrera and said "Great ride, but it could really use a better/faster transmission." As it already is, even at track speeds when the PDK shifts mid corner it doesn't upset the car in the slightest.
And you are absolutely correct. The ability to shift on a long sweeping turns without upsetting the car (dramatically) is pretty cool.
#38
From the 2010 GT3 Owner's Manual -
Your vehicle warranty does not cover use in competition, racing or track use or other events. Components and/or parts that fail during racing or driving events (including Porsche sponsored events) will not be covered by the manufacturer new car limited warranty or the pre-owned vehicle warranty.
Your vehicle warranty does not cover use in competition, racing or track use or other events. Components and/or parts that fail during racing or driving events (including Porsche sponsored events) will not be covered by the manufacturer new car limited warranty or the pre-owned vehicle warranty.
How about "if you break something on track then you have to pay for it".
Huge difference b/t voiding warranty via track use and having limited coverage. You gotta pay if you wanna play.
I know porsche is hyping that feature but IMO its just an effort to win over more of the manual tranny guys who took the car is too soft or too Carrera like. I don't think anyone has ever stepped out of a 991 PDK Carrera and said "Great ride, but it could really use a better/faster transmission." As it already is, even at track speeds when the PDK shifts mid corner it doesn't upset the car in the slightest.
Last edited by frayed; 04-14-2013 at 02:16 PM.
#41
Geesh, broad generalizations: "track use voids the warranty"
How about "if you break something on track then you have to pay for it".
Huge difference b/t voiding warranty via track use and having limited coverage. You gotta pay if you wanna play.
Disagree. There are multiple times with the 991S where I thought it was slow to respond to inputs. The issue is not how fast it shifts. Rather, it's delay b/t input and actual shift.
How about "if you break something on track then you have to pay for it".
Huge difference b/t voiding warranty via track use and having limited coverage. You gotta pay if you wanna play.
Disagree. There are multiple times with the 991S where I thought it was slow to respond to inputs. The issue is not how fast it shifts. Rather, it's delay b/t input and actual shift.
But, regarding the input/delay (which can be changed with the different modes): this can be easily remedied with earlier inputs. I had to learn this when I experienced something similar in my dual clutch car. If not in race mode (or Sport +), I had to adjust my shift points (mentally) slightly. I just chalk it up to learning the current car. Everybody gets used the little nuances of every car (turn-in, throttle steer, etc...). Shifting will just be another one of those 'things' (just as one would with the clutch engagement/disengagement).
#42
talk is very cheap.
if 991 RS comes with stick, how many of you are on the list. if you aren't on the list, you aint going to get one. so why does it matter if it's stick or not........ it would be someone else's car!
if 991 RS comes with stick, how many of you are on the list. if you aren't on the list, you aint going to get one. so why does it matter if it's stick or not........ it would be someone else's car!
#43
jasper makes sense. hopefully I get used to the box in the new GT3. There was some wonkiness in the box from the Coxster I drove last week (but otherwise and excellent machine). I'm betting Porsche will get it right and deliver lag-free, crisp shifts.
#44
Not a fair assessment. Everyone doesn't rush to the dealer to leave deposits to be first on a list and be more likely to get raped if their is a premium on the first units. Some people do actually wait to see what the car is about from other drivers and/or media. I would bet the vast majority.
#45
I'm the new owner of a 997.2 GT3 and came from an R35 GTR.
I basically sold my old BMW CSL for the R35 wanting something faster, but once the acceleration novelty wears off the R35 is just to clinical and to be honest boring... hence wanting to get back into a drivers car hence the new GT3 which I love!
However I still to this day rate the CSL, that was paddle and was very engaging, but the GT3 is on another level
I basically sold my old BMW CSL for the R35 wanting something faster, but once the acceleration novelty wears off the R35 is just to clinical and to be honest boring... hence wanting to get back into a drivers car hence the new GT3 which I love!
However I still to this day rate the CSL, that was paddle and was very engaging, but the GT3 is on another level