admit it, you would get PDK 991GT3 if it was an option and faster
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11-04-2013 | 04:10 PM
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I'm absolutely convinced that if Porsche offered a manual variant of the 991 GT3, its target market for that car would automatically, and immediately increase by at least 30%. (I for one would be part of that 30 percentile, looking forward someday to trade in my 997.2 GT3 for a manual 991 GT3).
Whatever way one looks at this, offering a PDK-only GT3, when there are still so many of us that grew up with sports cars on manual trannies as able and valuable potential customers, is a decision which Porsche, one day, will have to realise was a wrong one. (Even if it never publically admits it).
Meanwhile, on the positive side, thanks to Porsche's transmission policy on the 991 GT3, my 997.2 GT3 has gained considerably in terms of evaluation, for being part of the last generation of manual Porsche GTs.
Whatever way one looks at this, offering a PDK-only GT3, when there are still so many of us that grew up with sports cars on manual trannies as able and valuable potential customers, is a decision which Porsche, one day, will have to realise was a wrong one. (Even if it never publically admits it).
Meanwhile, on the positive side, thanks to Porsche's transmission policy on the 991 GT3, my 997.2 GT3 has gained considerably in terms of evaluation, for being part of the last generation of manual Porsche GTs.
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11-04-2013 | 04:11 PM
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Have you guys driven other automated manual transmissions? I have to admit, the PDK feels as sloppy as my old auto trans in my 2007 BMW 335i with steering wheel paddle shifters. I'd swear there's a torque converter and not a wet clutch if I didn't know better and took the car out for a drive without knowing what it was.
The DCT's from Getrag - like the one in my '13 BMW M3 is awesome. I can FEEL the shift in my fingers and through my body - even on the fastest setting of less than 20 milliseconds (with M3 GTS upgrade). It's awesome. I don't get ANY feeling in the PDK of the 997.2 Turbo S. Hopefully there is some software out there to make the PDK more "engaging" but for now I'm pretty disappointed in that aspect of the PDK. The steering wheel paddle shifters may be part of the problem. They feel "sloppy" and there is a noticable lag from when I pull the paddle to when the shift occurs. Not this way with the M3.
So if I had the 991 GT3, I'd want the Getrag DCT, not the PDK. If no Getrag DCT option, I'd go with the old school manual trans.
The DCT's from Getrag - like the one in my '13 BMW M3 is awesome. I can FEEL the shift in my fingers and through my body - even on the fastest setting of less than 20 milliseconds (with M3 GTS upgrade). It's awesome. I don't get ANY feeling in the PDK of the 997.2 Turbo S. Hopefully there is some software out there to make the PDK more "engaging" but for now I'm pretty disappointed in that aspect of the PDK. The steering wheel paddle shifters may be part of the problem. They feel "sloppy" and there is a noticable lag from when I pull the paddle to when the shift occurs. Not this way with the M3.
So if I had the 991 GT3, I'd want the Getrag DCT, not the PDK. If no Getrag DCT option, I'd go with the old school manual trans.
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11-04-2013 | 05:00 PM
Correct if I'm wrong but there was a noticeable change in 7.2 vs 991 pdk trannies. Much crisper and much more seamless than its predecessor. Furthermore, the pdk in the 991 gt3 is a step above with more aggressive mapping and ratios. I myself had an 11.5 dct m3 for a couple of years and give that tranny it's just due. Comfortable when you need it and zingy when you want it. However, I feel that the gt3 pdk will trump the dct in all areas. Will I ever accept Porsches decision to discontinue manuals in the holy gt3? Probably not.
If the PDK in the 991 PDK is better than the Getrag DCT in the M3, then it should be fantastic!
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11-04-2013 | 05:49 PM
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The PDK-S is a new beast, I felt the paddles and they are much more mechanical feeling, its like racking the slide on a sig pistol, mechanical feel, I have the GT3 on order but I must admit I might keep my GT2 also. Maybe that was Porsches plan, sell more GT3s as with PDK performance is more accessible and make money on servicing the old cars
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11-04-2013 | 06:03 PM
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I don't get ANY feeling in the PDK of the 997.2 Turbo S. Hopefully there is some software out there to make the PDK more "engaging" but for now I'm pretty disappointed in that aspect of the PDK.
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11-04-2013 | 06:05 PM
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Not too different from Ferrari's reasons to discontinue the manual and force the CC brakes option.
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11-04-2013 | 06:32 PM
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Lap times are and will be dominated by cars outfitted with dual clutch trannies. but IMO the 6 sp manual will come back to these models, maybe not with the 991 but the choice for buying a 6 speed manual is far more nuanced and not dominated by magazine lap times
BTW will 6speedonline.com have to change their name to PDKDCTonline.com?
BTW will 6speedonline.com have to change their name to PDKDCTonline.com?
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11-04-2013 | 06:43 PM
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There's a reason why GT3RS 4.0 prices are the way they are, the new GT3 from now on will be PDK only that is definitely adding to it's appreciation not just being a limited # car. I would honestly stay away from a PDK car even if I was a super hardcore track guy it's a pain in the *** too work on/service a manual gearset is so much more servicable and cheaper to replace all around. Alot of the time you can't even get individual pieces in a PDK trans so new trans 
As long as you're in warranty period I guess the PDK will reign but once out of warranty the costs of replacing PDK is ridiculously expensive.
As fast as the PDK is a manual GT3 would have alot less drivetrain power losses as well as being good chunk lighter, geared slightly different giving it a faster acceleration in almost any situation given the driver knows how to drive really well. For those guys that never would see the track and do the occasional highway sprint with an Fcar, Lambo, etc a manual GT3 would be faster than a PDK car. The PDK has come a long way but I personally wouldn't opt for one.
As long as you're in warranty period I guess the PDK will reign but once out of warranty the costs of replacing PDK is ridiculously expensive. As fast as the PDK is a manual GT3 would have alot less drivetrain power losses as well as being good chunk lighter, geared slightly different giving it a faster acceleration in almost any situation given the driver knows how to drive really well. For those guys that never would see the track and do the occasional highway sprint with an Fcar, Lambo, etc a manual GT3 would be faster than a PDK car. The PDK has come a long way but I personally wouldn't opt for one.
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11-04-2013 | 06:45 PM
Ok so it sounds like the entire transmission has been upgraded (both hardware and software). Thanks.
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11-04-2013 | 07:32 PM
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There's a reason why GT3RS 4.0 prices are the way they are, the new GT3 from now on will be PDK only that is definitely adding to it's appreciation not just being a limited # car. I would honestly stay away from a PDK car even if I was a super hardcore track guy it's a pain in the *** too work on/service a manual gearset is so much more servicable and cheaper to replace all around. Alot of the time you can't even get individual pieces in a PDK trans so new trans As long as you're in warranty period I guess the PDK will reign but once out of warranty the costs of replacing PDK is ridiculously expensive.
As fast as the PDK is a manual GT3 would have alot less drivetrain power losses as well as being good chunk lighter, geared slightly different giving it a faster acceleration in almost any situation given the driver knows how to drive really well. For those guys that never would see the track and do the occasional highway sprint with an Fcar, Lambo, etc a manual GT3 would be faster than a PDK car. The PDK has come a long way but I personally wouldn't opt for one.
As long as you're in warranty period I guess the PDK will reign but once out of warranty the costs of replacing PDK is ridiculously expensive. As fast as the PDK is a manual GT3 would have alot less drivetrain power losses as well as being good chunk lighter, geared slightly different giving it a faster acceleration in almost any situation given the driver knows how to drive really well. For those guys that never would see the track and do the occasional highway sprint with an Fcar, Lambo, etc a manual GT3 would be faster than a PDK car. The PDK has come a long way but I personally wouldn't opt for one.
How would a manual be faster for highway sprints?
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11-04-2013 | 08:13 PM
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Sold the GTR because I was bored with the auto. The auto is great for dd or for laptime but I want an enjoyable drivers car and jumped on the Porsche bandwagon years back because Porsche offers manuals.
If they made a cayman GT3 manual i'd be all over it and I would not regret even if it's slower than the 991 GT3 costing over $100k.
If they made a cayman GT3 manual i'd be all over it and I would not regret even if it's slower than the 991 GT3 costing over $100k.
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11-04-2013 | 11:10 PM
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arent most Ferraris equipped with the F1 transmission, isn't that the more desirable set up for speed, I agree theres a magic dance of clutch gas brake and shifter that you lose, but does anyone not think ABS brakes are better?
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11-04-2013 | 11:53 PM
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As fast as the PDK is a manual GT3 would have alot less drivetrain power losses as well as being good chunk lighter, geared slightly different giving it a faster acceleration in almost any situation given the driver knows how to drive really well. For those guys that never would see the track and do the occasional highway sprint with an Fcar, Lambo, etc a manual GT3 would be faster than a PDK car.