You gotta hand it to Ferrari...
#1
You gotta hand it to Ferrari...
The SLR is already a sticker car. There are pages full of Ford GT's on ebay. We all now the CGT hasn't seen its value soar (yet?)...
And yet the Enzo is about 200% over sticker used, and try getting a 430 at sticker, let alone a 430 spider. Try a year from now and I still doubt you will be able to.
Remember how Porsche made the decision to fight to stay "independent" after Ferrari got swallowed up? Well here it is years later and Ferrari's cars are still branded as special and Porsche has added a Sport-Ute and now a 4-door. I
On the bright side, CGT values will hopefully stabilize and gradually climb. And I daresay we may not see another car like it from Porsche for another 20 years.
To me that is the reason to buy a CGT, IF you believe we won't see another p-car like it for decades. Part of me thinks we won't, but then part of me thinks we will. Would love to hear other opinions:
How soon will we see the "next" Porsche super car?
And yet the Enzo is about 200% over sticker used, and try getting a 430 at sticker, let alone a 430 spider. Try a year from now and I still doubt you will be able to.
Remember how Porsche made the decision to fight to stay "independent" after Ferrari got swallowed up? Well here it is years later and Ferrari's cars are still branded as special and Porsche has added a Sport-Ute and now a 4-door. I
On the bright side, CGT values will hopefully stabilize and gradually climb. And I daresay we may not see another car like it from Porsche for another 20 years.
To me that is the reason to buy a CGT, IF you believe we won't see another p-car like it for decades. Part of me thinks we won't, but then part of me thinks we will. Would love to hear other opinions:
How soon will we see the "next" Porsche super car?
#2
It all depends what other brands will come up with (Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Lambo etc)
If Porsche sees a market for an exotic sportscar in let's say 5 years. I think they'll produce one.
Just my 0.02$
If Porsche sees a market for an exotic sportscar in let's say 5 years. I think they'll produce one.
Just my 0.02$
Last edited by PorscheFanatic; 08-21-2005 at 08:15 PM.
#5
a birth of supercar must have a reason behind it. there will be no reason at least in the next 10 year for another supercar era. that being say, a mass production car will probably be faster than today's supercars but a supercar will always be a supercar.
Dean,
u're one of the lucky one to own another Porsche legend supercar 959 & that's almost 20 years ago. u know better the joy behind the wheel is more than a dollar sign can describe. i'm not sure the CGT price will climb but i'm very greatful to be in the right era to be part of the game.
like i said in Fchat, Ferrari is in their own game & the price is very artificial. dealers pocket all the markup money & new customers take the hit. the dealers can play the game because they have much smaller dealer network & much less cars. looking at the Ferrari dealer network. u can count them with fingers unlike Porsche. Porsche went with their own path to be a mass production car maker therefore they'll never be the same like the old days. also in today's market there're more than 50% of modern Ferraris with F1 tranny including 100% ENZO. that's a lot more appealing for the older people to ''enjoy'' the car in US being the largest Fcar market in the world.
having say all this i think comparing Porsche & Ferrari in todays market the point is very weak although the performance figures are very close. IMO Porsche should be compare to BMW, Mercedes & still be superior than both. u simply can't find another more driver-focused true sport car while still maintain the reliablity other than Porsche.
Dean,
u're one of the lucky one to own another Porsche legend supercar 959 & that's almost 20 years ago. u know better the joy behind the wheel is more than a dollar sign can describe. i'm not sure the CGT price will climb but i'm very greatful to be in the right era to be part of the game.
like i said in Fchat, Ferrari is in their own game & the price is very artificial. dealers pocket all the markup money & new customers take the hit. the dealers can play the game because they have much smaller dealer network & much less cars. looking at the Ferrari dealer network. u can count them with fingers unlike Porsche. Porsche went with their own path to be a mass production car maker therefore they'll never be the same like the old days. also in today's market there're more than 50% of modern Ferraris with F1 tranny including 100% ENZO. that's a lot more appealing for the older people to ''enjoy'' the car in US being the largest Fcar market in the world.
having say all this i think comparing Porsche & Ferrari in todays market the point is very weak although the performance figures are very close. IMO Porsche should be compare to BMW, Mercedes & still be superior than both. u simply can't find another more driver-focused true sport car while still maintain the reliablity other than Porsche.
#6
Fiat owns Ferrari and Ferrari then bought out Maserati. Since that time, Maserati has been brought back under the parent Fiat group in preparation for Ferrari to bring out a separate IPO.
At least, that's the last I had heard.
At least, that's the last I had heard.
#7
Originally posted by 20C4S
a birth of supercar must have a reason behind it. there will be no reason at least in the next 10 year for another supercar era. that being say, a mass production car will probably be faster than today's supercars but a supercar will always be a supercar.
Dean,
u're one of the lucky one to own another Porsche legend supercar 959 & that's almost 20 years ago. u know better the joy behind the wheel is more than a dollar sign can describe. i'm not sure the CGT price will climb but i'm very greatful to be in the right era to be part of the game.
like i said in Fchat, Ferrari is in their own game & the price is very artificial. dealers pocket all the markup money & new customers take the hit. the dealers can play the game because they have much smaller dealer network & much less cars. looking at the Ferrari dealer network. u can count them with fingers unlike Porsche. Porsche went with their own path to be a mass production car maker therefore they'll never be the same like the old days. also in today's market there're more than 50% of modern Ferraris with F1 tranny including 100% ENZO. that's a lot more appealing for the older people to ''enjoy'' the car in US being the largest Fcar market in the world.
having say all this i think comparing Porsche & Ferrari in todays market the point is very weak although the performance figures are very close. IMO Porsche should be compare to BMW, Mercedes & still be superior than both. u simply can't find another more driver-focused true sport car while still maintain the reliablity other than Porsche.
a birth of supercar must have a reason behind it. there will be no reason at least in the next 10 year for another supercar era. that being say, a mass production car will probably be faster than today's supercars but a supercar will always be a supercar.
Dean,
u're one of the lucky one to own another Porsche legend supercar 959 & that's almost 20 years ago. u know better the joy behind the wheel is more than a dollar sign can describe. i'm not sure the CGT price will climb but i'm very greatful to be in the right era to be part of the game.
like i said in Fchat, Ferrari is in their own game & the price is very artificial. dealers pocket all the markup money & new customers take the hit. the dealers can play the game because they have much smaller dealer network & much less cars. looking at the Ferrari dealer network. u can count them with fingers unlike Porsche. Porsche went with their own path to be a mass production car maker therefore they'll never be the same like the old days. also in today's market there're more than 50% of modern Ferraris with F1 tranny including 100% ENZO. that's a lot more appealing for the older people to ''enjoy'' the car in US being the largest Fcar market in the world.
having say all this i think comparing Porsche & Ferrari in todays market the point is very weak although the performance figures are very close. IMO Porsche should be compare to BMW, Mercedes & still be superior than both. u simply can't find another more driver-focused true sport car while still maintain the reliablity other than Porsche.
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#9
Originally posted by deanger
Though I will say the 430 is shockingly good.
Though I will say the 430 is shockingly good.
#10
You will not see another supercar from Porsche for a long long time. They spent a lot of money developing the CGT because initially it was to be a Le Mans racer.
Porsche corporate philosophy has changed dramatically. Nothing will be developed or produced unless it generates a profit for the company and NOT siphon off resources in doing so. The days of being a boutique sport car maker are over. In the early ninties, they had a near death expereince and they are determined not to repeat it.
The new philosophy is to built quality cars and market them to the masses. Reach almost every price point market segment and personal preference i.e. every conceiveable iteration of a sport car, a SUV and soon a sedan. Uniqueness and exclusivity are expensive and inefficient.
Coupled with this philosophy is a brilliant pricing strategy. Exploit the Porsche marque by pricing all models at the upper most range, provide numerous options, charge top dollar for the options and at the same time share at least 50% of the parts within all models.
The PGA tour has a commercial which ends "These guys are good!" Porsche could teach them a lesson or two as to what good is.
Porsche is the GM of sport car manufacturers.
BTW when I read that the customers take the hit when they buy Ferrari all I can do is smile. My last three ferrari's did not cost me one nickel to drive and I made money. The last Porsche I owned a 996 depreciated 50% over a three year period.
Porsche corporate philosophy has changed dramatically. Nothing will be developed or produced unless it generates a profit for the company and NOT siphon off resources in doing so. The days of being a boutique sport car maker are over. In the early ninties, they had a near death expereince and they are determined not to repeat it.
The new philosophy is to built quality cars and market them to the masses. Reach almost every price point market segment and personal preference i.e. every conceiveable iteration of a sport car, a SUV and soon a sedan. Uniqueness and exclusivity are expensive and inefficient.
Coupled with this philosophy is a brilliant pricing strategy. Exploit the Porsche marque by pricing all models at the upper most range, provide numerous options, charge top dollar for the options and at the same time share at least 50% of the parts within all models.
The PGA tour has a commercial which ends "These guys are good!" Porsche could teach them a lesson or two as to what good is.
Porsche is the GM of sport car manufacturers.
BTW when I read that the customers take the hit when they buy Ferrari all I can do is smile. My last three ferrari's did not cost me one nickel to drive and I made money. The last Porsche I owned a 996 depreciated 50% over a three year period.
Last edited by nberry; 08-22-2005 at 06:55 PM.
#11
Originally posted by nberry
BTW when I read that the customers take the hit when they buy Ferrari all I can do is smile. My last three ferrari's did not cost me one nickel to drive and I made money. The last Porsche I owned a 996 depreciated 50% over a three year period.
BTW when I read that the customers take the hit when they buy Ferrari all I can do is smile. My last three ferrari's did not cost me one nickel to drive and I made money. The last Porsche I owned a 996 depreciated 50% over a three year period.
i understand. my comment was toward to the people paying over sticker to be the very first around the corner to own the new car. i'm not in the club therefore i did lose money when i sold my CS. i'm not on the preferred list like u, Jack, Amir, Dean etc & i do have customer paying 75k over for 430 coupe & 125k for Spider. they will not be able to get that money back. i see it as one time club entry fee. if u play smart u can get that number down to ''buying a used car for sticker''.
#13
Originally posted by deanger
Anyone wants to give me 80k over for my Spider with 450 miles (10 days old) and they can have it!
Arling, do you want a ride when you go to get your car? Ill take you to the CGT in the 959.
Anyone wants to give me 80k over for my Spider with 450 miles (10 days old) and they can have it!
Arling, do you want a ride when you go to get your car? Ill take you to the CGT in the 959.
that would be nice to take pics with both car..
silver ones at that too
#14
Originally posted by deanger
Anyone wants to give me 80k over for my Spider with 450 miles (10 days old) and they can have it!
Arling, do you want a ride when you go to get your car? Ill take you to the CGT in the 959.
Anyone wants to give me 80k over for my Spider with 450 miles (10 days old) and they can have it!
Arling, do you want a ride when you go to get your car? Ill take you to the CGT in the 959.
#15
to become a preferred Ferrari customer and get your 430 at list, just walk in buy a 575 at sticker and sell it back to the dealer for what ever price he will offer.
You are now a preferred Ferrari customer and you can get on the 430 list for a 430 at list. You still have to wait and it will cost you but not as much as 100K over. Its all a game set up by Ferrari.
You are now a preferred Ferrari customer and you can get on the 430 list for a 430 at list. You still have to wait and it will cost you but not as much as 100K over. Its all a game set up by Ferrari.
Last edited by OldGuy; 08-23-2005 at 04:00 PM.