Ah, I said a Porsche will suck the doors off the competition and right now 6 min 50 is better than the rest. Nice try though...I still got love for ya.

 

So you're using the $1M 918's 6:57 time to make a point about how 'GT3 owners' don't have to worry about the Z06? Of course, the only reason you are using the 918 in your argument is because you know that none of the 911s Porsche sells have a chance against the Z06, thereby completely nullifying the basis of your initial argument. Nice try indeed! Lol

 

The GT3 can and will hold its own with the Z06. On the "ring" yes it's Hp advantage is evident but on most tracks like Laguna Seca it will be superior for these reasons: traction, weight, power delivery (tech), and balance.

 

I'm sure the GT3 will hold its own against most any production car. It's an incredible vehicle. But it's going to have a very difficult time keeping up with the C7 Z06 on any track.

Below are track time comparisons between the C6 ZR1, 991 GT3 and 997 GT3 RS. Of course, the C7 Z06 will improve upon the C6 ZR1 times.

C6 ZR1 on the left, 991 GT3 on the right:

Nordschleife 7:19.63 7:25.00
Hockenheim Short 1:08.30 1:09.60

Because the GT3 RS is faster than the 991 GT3 around Hockenheim, here's a comparison of its times to the C6 ZR1 times.

C6 ZR1 on the left, GT3 RS on the right:

Top Gear Track 1:20.40 1:21.00
Nordschleife 7:19.63 7:33.00
Hockenheim Short 1:08.30 1:09.50
Laguna Seca 1:33.70 1:36.77
Virginia International Raceway 2:45.63 2:55.90
SportAuto wet handling test 1:35.80 1:36.60
Fuji Speedway (post 2005) 1:53.96 1:54.26
Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours Club 1:19.33 1:21.78
Miller Motorsports Park 2:03.86 2:05.44
Rockingham International Super Sportscar 1:32.40 1:32.80

 

Alright now you are talking ZR1, more power than an RS. This is a supercharged car versus a 3.8 liter car with a race derived engine. You are correct in the times but to stay within the thread Z06 times should be what you are using. Not making excuses but let's be fair.

 

I love this topic as these are the two cars I currently lust after and question as my next car.

To me the question of lap times is not the determining factor. Both of these cars will be plenty of fun on the track. I think the GT3 will be easier to push hard than the Z06 and will ultimately be the more rewarding experience regardless of lap times.

My real question is which car will be more usable. Which car do you guys feel would be the better street car? I would imagine that the z06 would be the softer car.

I am hoping that the 991 GT3 will be adjustable enough to make it a Jeckyl/Hyde car that is more steetable than the 997 GT3.

Ultimately, I think I would/will go for the GT3, but the awesomeness of the Z06 is undeniable. Its a huge step on for the domestic sports car and something to be proud of.

I cant wait for the video reviews of the Z06 to start surfacing!

 

I'm talking about the ZR1 because the C7 Z06 is almost identical to the ZR1, also supercharged, except that it makes more torque, has an improved suspension, significantly better aero (more downforce), and an option for a 8-speed auto that shifts faster than Porsche's standard PDK box. Did you not do any research on the new Z06 before you began dismissing it?

The C7 Z06 has already broken the GM test track record that was previously held by the C6 ZR1. So it's apples to apples, since the C7 Z06 is actually a faster track car than the C6 ZR1 was/is.

Lastly, I added a couple 991 GT3 track times to my post. Interestingly, the 991 GT3's Hockeheim time is slower than the 997 GT3 RS' Hockenheim time. So on short tracks, the new GT3 may not be quicker than the GT3 RS was/is.

Don't for a second think that I'm against the GT3. I LOVE it! One of the best cars on the planet. But I take issue witth your earlier comments about how the GT3 will blow the C7 Z06 out of the water (etc.), because the truth is, from a performance standpoint, the opposite will probably be the case.

 

Did you not hear that GM's tests have placed the Z06 faster than the ZR-1? This means the gap (that the ZR-1 is already faster than the GT3RS (supposedly the ultimate track 911), is only going to widen.

So let's recap:
ZR-1 > GT3RS
C7Z > ZR-1
C7Z > ZR-1 > GT3RS
so
C7Z > GT3RS

 

Maybe...but we until the car is on the ground we won't know. But I'm eager to see what will happen. Honestly, I think it is better to let the Z06 go up against big sister Turbo S due to the power shortage or maybe the next GT2 RS. This way it's max track car (Z06/ZR1 if they make another) vs. max sports/track car (2015 GT2RS).

 

Chevy is already talking about a 'Z06X' version that will be similar to the GT3RS (as far as being a super light weight, focused track car). Considering how fast the C7 Z06 street car will be, that thing will be pretty ridiculous.

 

At this point the RS will have to really be a higher output car than the 997 series car and I give you the nod that the power and lap times are better but we are talking about a 3.8 liter flat 6. Not a NASCAR forced induction ground shaking V8 (Lord that sounds good, remember when they started the race car right before it came out?) So we have see but right now let's get a ring time for the C7Z and wait for the 991 GT3RS and see what we got. I would love to see a track focused turbo car. Like a TurboRS or something like that. Maybe that is what the new 984 will be?

 

Let's call it "To be continued..." until the 991 GT3RS arrives. This week belongs to the big girl from Kentucky and we should be proud of her.

 

It's possible. But I just don't see Porsche making a faster, lighter car than the GT2 RS was/is, at least not for many years. And even that 3,020 lb / 620 hp monster was 5 seconds slower around the Nurburgring than the 3400 lb C6 ZR1 was.

 

Z06 will probably have a better stereo too! Honestly, lap times and track times are meaningless to most owners aside from paper bragging rights. Each owner will have different criteria and ultimately the car that best meets those criteria will be the "best" of the two. There's no debating personal taste or personal needs, they are what they are. There are dozens of track cars that would better either of these two for half the cost, so if it's a track car only that you are looking for, there may be even better options from a price/performance standpoint. Both are excellent performers ... can't we all just get along?

 

Yeah but bickering is so much fun......