Yeah, like a Miata or BRZ.

 

Basically it comes down to whether or not you want the most performance value for your dollar. If so, then choose the C7 Z06.

You don't spend $150k on a GT3 because it's the fastest car on the road/track.

 

+1 BRZ: stripped down, Michelin Super Sports, intake, exhaust.

 

You spend that money b/c you want the most evil all motor 911 that money can buy. Precisely!

 

Sorry, but Porsche has gone the way of the BMW with the GT3. Actually BMW is coming back to earth now, so it would be the way of the Lambo?

Standard, non beneficial centerlocks, no manual option, standard rws, huge unnecessary brakes that make it unlikely for 19's and pretty much impossible for 18's and real track tires. Banning slicks altogether. Even had the nerve to state the car isn't built for the stresses associated with slicks. WTH?!?!? Screw that.

Meanwhile GM is putting data in the car, covering track use and building functional aero that isn't just big, tacky wings bolted on the back. Not to mention a car that will be MUCH faster on the track.

Needless to say, I'm going with the Corvette.

In fact, I'm so disgusted with Porsche, I'm considering cheering for Corvette Racing, whom I can't stand for many reasons, instead of Core Autosport, Porsche and Falken this year.

 

Correct.

 

Can't lie that PDR thingy is some cool **** tech. Porsche has not went soft like BMW (don't be so disrespectful-Stephen A. Smith) but I like the harshness of the 996 and 997 cars I don't know why the are trying to "Turbo-fy" the car in the first place. Just like in the other threads there are 16 versions of the car find one that works for you and love it.

 

You're right, maybe not soft per se, but a GT3 that can't drive on slicks is not a GT3 to me. 1 generation ago, they proved their merit by driving a bone stock GT3 RS in the 24 hrs of the nurburgring on slicks, and then turn around and built a car that can't even handle them? They claimed paddle shifters were for grandma's, and now don't even offer a manual. RWS gimmicks. Non race capable engine. Sticking with the centerlocks which have proven to be nothing but a gimmick, but not even giving people a choice.

Disappointed is an understatement.

 

I was at Goldcrest Motorsports last week and headed there now to drop a turbo cab off for a GIAC chip and tweak (630hp when finished, not my car) and they told me stories of centerlock failures on the track. Then I looked it up...yikes! I see what you are saying but I love well adore the GT3. Just have to invest in a gigantic torque wrench and wheel guide (don't damage the rotors when changing tires).

 

Goldcrest? Hmm, do we know each other?

 

1. It can't ride on slicks? In fact it can and does so very well (I've tracked my 991S on R-comps for 2 years and nary a hiccup along the way).
You are confusing the legal disclaimer in the manual with the actual capabilities of the car. Simple solution -- If, by 0.01% change you bust a suspension component while tracking on slicks, you put your street tires back on before going to the dealer.

2. The engine is not race capable?

3. PDK and RWS -- I can appreciate your feelings as a purist and they are valid, but I don't think that criticism belongs in the same line of thinking as your other comments, which basically suggests that the car is under/mis-engineered.

4. Centerlocks. They fixed the failure issue a while ago. According to Preuninger's interview in Panorama a few months ago, the new gen has the same usage life as the five bolt system (about 40 race hours). If you can afford the $130k car you can afford the jumbo torque wrench and guide bolt. I track often with my neighbor and his RS and I've repeatedly watched him change all 4 wheels in less than 15 minutes. It's just about having the right equipment and a little practice.

Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure you can spec the car with five bolts at no additional cost.

 

I do not think you can get 5 lugs.

No offense, but your 991S is not a GT3. It has a different motor, no RWS, centerlocks?. Outside of the normal legal jargon, slicks are strictly forbidden. The GT3 maintenance book says "they subject the chassis and body components to potentially higher loads than those for which they are designed".(I stole that from Rennlist BTW)

Besides that, guys are wearing stock tires out in 1 day, even 2. Slicks are much more sensitive, and will blow out.

On top of that, where are you going to find 20" slicks? 19's are ever very rare. Good luck getting some 18's on a 991 GT3. Porsche knows a high percentage of drivers track GT3's and that slicks are common place. Why would they engineer a car to prevent it?

I may agree that the PDK complaint is personal preference, but if RWS is the reason for the issue with slicks, then I would consider that under engineered based on Porsche knowledge of customer usage and expectations of it as a capable track car for the street.

 

I'm loving this thread. I have my modified 2007 997 turbo and modified 2008 Z06 and when I truly want to enjoy driving I am beginning to take the Z06 more and more. My 997 turbo is brutally fast, but I think Porsche has truly lost its way with their prices and performance - though their leather does smell delicious :-)

I drove the 991 turbo S and could not think of another car that was as antiseptic. I am holding judgement on the GT3 until I drive it, but chances are.................

If I could only have one fun car, it will be the C7-Z06 to be honest.

 

As a diehard Porsche owner. I was careful to note the vette vs GT3. NOT the turbo. I actually turned back by Tunbo S when she came in. Agreed .. Too Numb. And my GT3 was almost in. Turbo S is great as a Grand tourer and a winter car too but not a comparo to the vette

 

I have been trying to decide between both the GT3 and the C7 Z06 for many months now. Here's why I'm going with the Z06, (with Z07package):

GT3 is right at $150,000 but I can't have one for two years unless I want to pay well over MSRP. I've done it twice before and refuse to do that again.

I'm #2 at a Chevy dealership that sells loads of Vettes; at MSRP and the car should max out at $100,000. As it's going to see heavy track use it will be nice to save about $50K, plus the cost to run one will be much lower than the GT3 when it's time to start replacing expendables.

The new C7 interior is light years better than the C5 and C6 versions, and whilst the interior quality isn't yet at Porsche standards, the car looks pretty damn awesome both inside and out.

So Z06 for me; but the wait will be killer.

Bish