Z06 vs CGT
#16
Originally posted by DancingBenzos
I think the Z06 is about 10 seconds faster at the nurburgring than a GT3, only a few second off the Carrera GT.
I think the Z06 is about 10 seconds faster at the nurburgring than a GT3, only a few second off the Carrera GT.
Even if some guy in a Z06 matched the GT3 RS track times or beat you on a street light it doesn't make it a Porsche! It's still a crappy GM product more suitable for a Dollar rent-a-car lot than a race track or Autobhan speeds.
Last edited by quartermile; 09-03-2005 at 11:17 AM.
#17
I'll bet these same exact exchanges were heard in the 50s and 60s when Corvettes started racing. Not to mention GT40s, Cobras, Mustangs, Camaros, etc.
I think it'll be fun to hear from an owner of both the CGT and new Z06 (when it comes out) and get firsthand impressions and humor. For now, it's all trash-talk...which is still great stuff!
I think it'll be fun to hear from an owner of both the CGT and new Z06 (when it comes out) and get firsthand impressions and humor. For now, it's all trash-talk...which is still great stuff!
#18
I wonder which car you would be able to drive around the track faster. Let us assume that you probably would be faster in a CGT but I would wager not by much. The point is if performance is a serious issue to you but driving skills hold you back especially in the CGT then the Z06 is the better buy.
Now if all the other variables listed by some of the posters are also important then what would you do in the following situation:
You have a choice between taking a Z06 plus $325,000 in cash or taking a CGT?
How important are those variables to you?
Now if all the other variables listed by some of the posters are also important then what would you do in the following situation:
You have a choice between taking a Z06 plus $325,000 in cash or taking a CGT?
How important are those variables to you?
#19
Originally posted by quartermile
Everyone read the same "Internet rumors" ... it's just that until official track records establish what actually ran under what conditions. We have consistently seen the Gallardo at 500hp touch GT3 records and CGT exceed it at 600hp.
Even if some guy in a Z06 matched the GT3 RS track times or beat you on a street light it doesn't make it a Porsche! It's still a crappy GM product more suitable for a Dollar rent-a-car lot than a race track or Autobhan speeds.
Everyone read the same "Internet rumors" ... it's just that until official track records establish what actually ran under what conditions. We have consistently seen the Gallardo at 500hp touch GT3 records and CGT exceed it at 600hp.
Even if some guy in a Z06 matched the GT3 RS track times or beat you on a street light it doesn't make it a Porsche! It's still a crappy GM product more suitable for a Dollar rent-a-car lot than a race track or Autobhan speeds.
And PM me to review why my Turbo has been flat bedded 4 times , one of those almost caught fire for the same reason board member Ray's Turbo here DID ,if you want to talk quality. The crappy Z06 has a dry sump motor . 997s still carry on with the wet sump that can't handle tracking on slicks for oil starvation reasons , not to mention the cost cutting bolted in crank cradles that lead to continuing rear main seal leaks on the latest non Turbo/GT2/GT3 Porsches.
#20
Originally posted by nberry
I wonder which car you would be able to drive around the track faster. Let us assume that you probably would be faster in a CGT but I would wager not by much. The point is if performance is a serious issue to you but driving skills hold you back especially in the CGT then the Z06 is the better buy.
Now if all the other variables listed by some of the posters are also important then what would you do in the following situation:
You have a choice between taking a Z06 plus $325,000 in cash or taking a CGT?
How important are those variables to you?
I wonder which car you would be able to drive around the track faster. Let us assume that you probably would be faster in a CGT but I would wager not by much. The point is if performance is a serious issue to you but driving skills hold you back especially in the CGT then the Z06 is the better buy.
Now if all the other variables listed by some of the posters are also important then what would you do in the following situation:
You have a choice between taking a Z06 plus $325,000 in cash or taking a CGT?
How important are those variables to you?
#22
Originally posted by nberry
You have a choice between taking a Z06 plus $325,000 in cash or taking a CGT?
You have a choice between taking a Z06 plus $325,000 in cash or taking a CGT?
#23
Originally posted by MKW
Chevy will warranty the Z06 for non - fender to fender club racing on open tracks . Porsche Cars North America will void your warranty even for parking lot autocrossing .Think about that for a minute . And PM me to review why my Turbo has been flat bedded 4 times , one of those almost caught fire for the same reason board member Ray's Turbo here DID ,if you want to talk quality. The crappy Z06 has a dry sump motor . 997s still carry on with the wet sump that can't handle tracking on slicks for oil starvation reasons , not to mention the cost cutting bolted in crank cradles that lead to continuing rear main seal leaks on the latest non Turbo/GT2/GT3 Porsches.
Chevy will warranty the Z06 for non - fender to fender club racing on open tracks . Porsche Cars North America will void your warranty even for parking lot autocrossing .Think about that for a minute . And PM me to review why my Turbo has been flat bedded 4 times , one of those almost caught fire for the same reason board member Ray's Turbo here DID ,if you want to talk quality. The crappy Z06 has a dry sump motor . 997s still carry on with the wet sump that can't handle tracking on slicks for oil starvation reasons , not to mention the cost cutting bolted in crank cradles that lead to continuing rear main seal leaks on the latest non Turbo/GT2/GT3 Porsches.
Originally posted by nberry
I wonder which car you would be able to drive around the track faster. Let us assume that you probably would be faster in a CGT but I would wager not by much. The point is if performance is a serious issue to you but driving skills hold you back especially in the CGT then the Z06 is the better buy. Now if all the other variables listed by some of the posters are also important then what would you do in the following situation: You have a choice between taking a Z06 plus $325,000 in cash or taking a CGT? How important are those variables to you?
I wonder which car you would be able to drive around the track faster. Let us assume that you probably would be faster in a CGT but I would wager not by much. The point is if performance is a serious issue to you but driving skills hold you back especially in the CGT then the Z06 is the better buy. Now if all the other variables listed by some of the posters are also important then what would you do in the following situation: You have a choice between taking a Z06 plus $325,000 in cash or taking a CGT? How important are those variables to you?
Now if we were comparing a Ferrari to a Z06 it would make more sense since they have similar build quality.
Last edited by quartermile; 09-03-2005 at 05:15 PM.
#24
Originally posted by quartermile
Everyone read the same "Internet rumors" ... it's just that until official track records establish what actually ran under what conditions. We have consistently seen the Gallardo at 500hp touch GT3 records and CGT exceed it at 600hp.
Even if some guy in a Z06 matched the GT3 RS track times or beat you on a street light it doesn't make it a Porsche! It's still a crappy GM product more suitable for a Dollar rent-a-car lot than a race track or Autobhan speeds.
Everyone read the same "Internet rumors" ... it's just that until official track records establish what actually ran under what conditions. We have consistently seen the Gallardo at 500hp touch GT3 records and CGT exceed it at 600hp.
Even if some guy in a Z06 matched the GT3 RS track times or beat you on a street light it doesn't make it a Porsche! It's still a crappy GM product more suitable for a Dollar rent-a-car lot than a race track or Autobhan speeds.
But, you seem to be a "porsche" guy and a not a car guy
Originally posted by Stephan
The Corvtte is a beast, but not my cup of tea. Its just another fast chevy..... The Porsche carrera GT is just a completly different experiance.
The Corvtte is a beast, but not my cup of tea. Its just another fast chevy..... The Porsche carrera GT is just a completly different experiance.
Even if the times compare, those looking for a CGT won't be cross shopping the Z06. They'll also have a Z06, which is pretty obvious by the amount of true car guys on this forum who will get one/or have orders on the "plastic, has no place on a race track, vette"
Originally posted by quartermile
You are claiming a German car is higher quality than US made AND a generic brand (Chevy) would have a better warranty than a premium brand (Porsche). May be you had a bad mechanic or we are talking different planets here?
How about this choice instead? You take the Z06 and save $325K, then you find out it’s more or less the same as a GT3 on the track (like I told you.) After about 5,000 mostly track miles on the Z06 one day the suspension arm cracks on a mountain road at 90MPH and you run into a another car and end up paying $3.325M to settle the lawsuit J
Now if we were comparing a Ferrari to a Z06 it would make more sense since they have similar build quality.
You are claiming a German car is higher quality than US made AND a generic brand (Chevy) would have a better warranty than a premium brand (Porsche). May be you had a bad mechanic or we are talking different planets here?
How about this choice instead? You take the Z06 and save $325K, then you find out it’s more or less the same as a GT3 on the track (like I told you.) After about 5,000 mostly track miles on the Z06 one day the suspension arm cracks on a mountain road at 90MPH and you run into a another car and end up paying $3.325M to settle the lawsuit J
Now if we were comparing a Ferrari to a Z06 it would make more sense since they have similar build quality.
suspension arm cracks :: Are those like RMS leaks?
It's a shame you can't see past a "chevy" badge to notice a great car.
Last edited by HotRodGuy; 09-03-2005 at 05:06 PM.
#25
I love all cars, I have even commited the big sin of owning Porsche's and Ferrari's (they never get along). The big difference between the Z06 and any current Porsche will be long term quality and reliability. After about a year the Z06 will display the usual Corvette trademarks.
#26
Not to mention, saying that the Z06 is 10 sec. faster than the GT3. Yeah, basically a new, not even delivered car is faster than a 3 year old model, that's expected. Wait until the new 997 GT3 comes out, and let's see how well it does. Not saying it will be 10 sec. faster (because it probably won't) but it will definitely be faster than the current GT3.
#27
Originally posted by Super D
I'll bet these same exact exchanges were heard in the 50s and 60s when Corvettes started racing. Not to mention GT40s, Cobras, Mustangs, Camaros, etc.
I'll bet these same exact exchanges were heard in the 50s and 60s when Corvettes started racing. Not to mention GT40s, Cobras, Mustangs, Camaros, etc.
#28
Originally posted by HotRodGuy
hell the same **** was said when the last gen Z06 came out and started dominating it's class in SCAA
hell the same **** was said when the last gen Z06 came out and started dominating it's class in SCAA
#29
Originally posted by BDH
I love all cars, I have even commited the big sin of owning Porsche's and Ferrari's (they never get along). The big difference between the Z06 and any current Porsche will be long term quality and reliability. After about a year the Z06 will display the usual Corvette trademarks.
I love all cars, I have even commited the big sin of owning Porsche's and Ferrari's (they never get along). The big difference between the Z06 and any current Porsche will be long term quality and reliability. After about a year the Z06 will display the usual Corvette trademarks.
Bottom line is Porsche for the longest time has had its own way in the sport car field. That is no longer the case. Nevertheless, in my view, the CGT is one of the best performance cars ever produced. Had it had any badge other than Porsche, the car probably would still be selling at MSRP
BTW, Autoweek is featuring the Corvette Z06 this week and they call it the "The Best Supercar Buy Of All Time."
#30
nicky baby,
for once i'm with you. i loved MT's headline:
the new z06- sell the Ferrari
i'm sure you did too.
the z06 abso f.g lutely roxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
anyone see the pix of the undertray of the CGT with 6000 miles for sale in autoweek??[the pix on ebay]. the tray is trashed CF and a fortune to fix.
so for 400 you get a 7.32 car that as nick points out few of us can drive at 7.32, much less 8.20 on the ring vs
a 7.43 car for 65...
the z06 changes the entire performance world with gt2 performance for 65!!!! it's faster at the ring than a f.g pagani!!!!
i'm dropping gt3 seats in mine, and f.k the gold chain jokes, the fools will be driving something more expensive.
this car is a
-great ORR car since it will do 200
-great track car since it's a rocket and cheap
-great mountain and canyon slammer which means a perfect commuter for me to replace the stradale.
face it boys, this car means Ferrari andf Porsche had better get to work and means we'll get more bang for the $ from them. all good
for once i'm with you. i loved MT's headline:
the new z06- sell the Ferrari
i'm sure you did too.
the z06 abso f.g lutely roxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.
anyone see the pix of the undertray of the CGT with 6000 miles for sale in autoweek??[the pix on ebay]. the tray is trashed CF and a fortune to fix.
so for 400 you get a 7.32 car that as nick points out few of us can drive at 7.32, much less 8.20 on the ring vs
a 7.43 car for 65...
the z06 changes the entire performance world with gt2 performance for 65!!!! it's faster at the ring than a f.g pagani!!!!
i'm dropping gt3 seats in mine, and f.k the gold chain jokes, the fools will be driving something more expensive.
this car is a
-great ORR car since it will do 200
-great track car since it's a rocket and cheap
-great mountain and canyon slammer which means a perfect commuter for me to replace the stradale.
face it boys, this car means Ferrari andf Porsche had better get to work and means we'll get more bang for the $ from them. all good