991 GT3: Owners' Experiences
#16
05-28-2014 | 09:28 PM
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I would wait for the 991.2 version if you aren't pressed...I think the replacement motor cars will be viewed like lemons. You know the whole process must be getting rushed and done by who only (maybe stef)) knows! Who would take one over a 991.2? Just my 2c.
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05-28-2014 | 10:48 PM
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Porsche past GT models have faced challenges before on a much larger scale than the two fires. I wouldn't be concerned.
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05-28-2014 | 11:41 PM
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A part of me feels really horrible for 991 GT3 owners. First they had to wait forever and a day to get their cars. Next, after finally receiving their cars, they heard the horrible news that the motor could cause the car to catch on fire; as a result, they had to stop driving their cars and return them to the dealership. Finally, they had to wait another month for their motors to get shipped and installed.
After the debacle owners had to face, I would most definitely wait for 991.2 GT3 to come out before even thinking about handing over my hard earned money.
Sorry Porsche, you are a great brand that makes great cars, but you seriously messed up with the GT3.
After the debacle owners had to face, I would most definitely wait for 991.2 GT3 to come out before even thinking about handing over my hard earned money.
Sorry Porsche, you are a great brand that makes great cars, but you seriously messed up with the GT3.
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05-29-2014 | 10:16 AM
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A part of me feels really horrible for 991 GT3 owners. First they had to wait forever and a day to get their cars. Next, after finally receiving their cars, they heard the horrible news that the motor could cause the car to catch on fire; as a result, they had to stop driving their cars and return them to the dealership. Finally, they had to wait another month for their motors to get shipped and installed.
After the debacle owners had to face, I would most definitely wait for 991.2 GT3 to come out before even thinking about handing over my hard earned money.
Sorry Porsche, you are a great brand that makes great cars, but you seriously messed up with the GT3.
After the debacle owners had to face, I would most definitely wait for 991.2 GT3 to come out before even thinking about handing over my hard earned money.
Sorry Porsche, you are a great brand that makes great cars, but you seriously messed up with the GT3.
Is it taking too long..................yes! I want my car!
#20
05-29-2014 | 01:14 PM
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The replacements are purposely over engineered given the microscope they are under. When I was in Weissach a few weeks ago, it was front and center - No rushing for sure - and each is being internally tested by Porsche.
Nikolas's point is well taken - I don't know of any companies that have or would act as Porsche did here - they spend months and months and delayed profits (i.e. sales of the GT3s as well as introduction of the GT3RS etc) until they were absolutely sure that they 1.knew what the issue was and 2. would remedy it.
In a few ways, these cars are perhaps more desirable - there are few around and demand (other than some who might find them less desirable to each their own opinion of course) is pretty high.
Nikolas's point is well taken - I don't know of any companies that have or would act as Porsche did here - they spend months and months and delayed profits (i.e. sales of the GT3s as well as introduction of the GT3RS etc) until they were absolutely sure that they 1.knew what the issue was and 2. would remedy it.
In a few ways, these cars are perhaps more desirable - there are few around and demand (other than some who might find them less desirable to each their own opinion of course) is pretty high.
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#21
05-29-2014 | 06:39 PM
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You have to say that Porsche has stepped up to the plate to remedy the situation pretty well, but the $2k a month covers the lost interest only, not depreciation (sorry folks who bought them). It's the first I've heard of loaners to all..did you get a 991 loaner or what? As for only 'two fires', how many fires from faulty design or manuf do you need to wait for before putting a stop order on the car? Or maybe wait for the inevitable fatalities that come with car fires? How much lost profits come would come with that 'cost saving/profit over safety' approach? (Which, btw, would be the definition of corporate irresponsibility and greed...a McDonalds type move.) of course, only the best (wealthiest) customers are offered first delivery so imagine if a couple of THEM perished in fire? What would that cost? I hope corporate responsibility was part of the motivation for the stop order but economics favored it too. My points aren't to stir things up,..just my 2c.
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05-29-2014 | 08:21 PM
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You have to say that Porsche has stepped up to the plate to remedy the situation pretty well, but the $2k a month covers the lost interest only, not depreciation (sorry folks who bought them). It's the first I've heard of loaners to all..did you get a 991 loaner or what? As for only 'two fires', how many fires from faulty design or manuf do you need to wait for before putting a stop order on the car? Or maybe wait for the inevitable fatalities that come with car fires? How much lost profits come would come with that 'cost saving/profit over safety' approach? (Which, btw, would be the definition of corporate irresponsibility and greed...a McDonalds type move.) of course, only the best (wealthiest) customers are offered first delivery so imagine if a couple of THEM perished in fire? What would that cost? I hope corporate responsibility was part of the motivation for the stop order but economics favored it too. My points aren't to stir things up,..just my 2c.
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05-29-2014 | 11:29 PM
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Agreed. I'm not financing mine, so it is direct cost offset.
To the above poster, show me any car manufacturer that has taken these steps for limited failure. Just read the news to see the usual suspects.
To the above poster, show me any car manufacturer that has taken these steps for limited failure. Just read the news to see the usual suspects.
#24
05-30-2014 | 06:07 AM
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Look at Tesla - a few fires and they continued to deny a problem.....
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06-02-2014 | 12:28 AM
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As I have noted before, the PDK in the GT3 is actually a blast - a perfect mesh and match with the engine and chassis and the overall GT3 package - it makes some nice sounds - is fast -- and dynamic -- it ENHANCES the experience in many ways - Handling is visceral and direct. Ride is NOT punishing, ergonomics are perfect.... was driving her in the winter and did not miss a beat - can't wait to have her back
So, to answer your questions (IN CAPS)
1) Ride quality as compared to a standard 991 C2S - PRETTY DARN CLOSE - COMPLIANT AND A BIT MORE STIFF BUT DRIVING AROUND NYC I ACTUALLY FIND THE GT3 TO BE A BIT MORE CONTROLLABLE AS A RACER, YOU UNDERSTAND)
2) Interior noise levels as compared to a standard 991 C2S - OTHER THAN THE EXHAUST RUMBLE BEING A BIT MORE AND WHEN YOU REV UP TO THE HIGHER REVS WHERE THE GT3 BECOMES MORE RASPY - NOTHING REALLY DIFFERENT TO NOTICE
3) The usefulness and ease of operation of the front axle lift system (i.e., how long does it take to lift the front axle? How much do you have to slow down before triggering the system, etc. I'm interested in its practical use while driving around town) - YIKES - DON'T HAVE IT ONE EITHER CAR - AND I AM IN NYC - THESE ARE NOT THE OLDER CARS (BY GT3RS 4.0 SCRAPES LIKE CRAZY) - FRANKLY NOT NEEDED
So, to answer your questions (IN CAPS)
1) Ride quality as compared to a standard 991 C2S - PRETTY DARN CLOSE - COMPLIANT AND A BIT MORE STIFF BUT DRIVING AROUND NYC I ACTUALLY FIND THE GT3 TO BE A BIT MORE CONTROLLABLE AS A RACER, YOU UNDERSTAND)
2) Interior noise levels as compared to a standard 991 C2S - OTHER THAN THE EXHAUST RUMBLE BEING A BIT MORE AND WHEN YOU REV UP TO THE HIGHER REVS WHERE THE GT3 BECOMES MORE RASPY - NOTHING REALLY DIFFERENT TO NOTICE
3) The usefulness and ease of operation of the front axle lift system (i.e., how long does it take to lift the front axle? How much do you have to slow down before triggering the system, etc. I'm interested in its practical use while driving around town) - YIKES - DON'T HAVE IT ONE EITHER CAR - AND I AM IN NYC - THESE ARE NOT THE OLDER CARS (BY GT3RS 4.0 SCRAPES LIKE CRAZY) - FRANKLY NOT NEEDED