carrera gt
#16
12-31-2005, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by AMG ETR
Thanks HZ, yea the ECU upgrade yields 38HP
Mark had mentioned he had the exhaust coming for that car out there, he is working on getting the programing and filter from us as well, will be cool to see what kind of power that car makes with the 3 parts!
Evan
Thanks HZ, yea the ECU upgrade yields 38HP
Mark had mentioned he had the exhaust coming for that car out there, he is working on getting the programing and filter from us as well, will be cool to see what kind of power that car makes with the 3 parts!
Evan
Should be real interesting Evan... a CGT with an 50 HP would be real cool
#17
12-31-2005, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by Brad Roberts
Soo.. it appears we will have the option of controlling sound?
Looks like a stock muffler to me that has been hacked in to.
True?
B
Soo.. it appears we will have the option of controlling sound?
Looks like a stock muffler to me that has been hacked in to.
True?
B
#23
12-31-2005, 12:07 PM
Originally posted by Hamann7
If you think $50K worth of mods on a 996TT can match the performance of a 996 GT3 Cup car on slicks, then you may have a point. On a track day this year at Spring Mountain (a relatively tight track), the Cup car was the only car among various GT3's, 2's, etc. that was faster than the CGT, and it wasn't by much. I can assure you that most of these heavily modded Turbos are no where close to that level.
If you think $50K worth of mods on a 996TT can match the performance of a 996 GT3 Cup car on slicks, then you may have a point. On a track day this year at Spring Mountain (a relatively tight track), the Cup car was the only car among various GT3's, 2's, etc. that was faster than the CGT, and it wasn't by much. I can assure you that most of these heavily modded Turbos are no where close to that level.
On the street, with anything less than pro drivers, and the AWD/PSM combo of the 996TT will allow you to get much closer to the limit than you dare in a CGT.
There's no doubt the CGT *is* intrinsically superior, but I suspect it's not a compelling enough distinction to hold up the market for over 1,000 of them.
Unless you supercharged the CGT, of course
(come on, Hamster, I'm teeing that one up for you
)
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12-31-2005, 12:19 PM
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12-31-2005, 12:26 PM
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Pony up:
530+Hp normally aspirated dyno tuned + tested 3.8 GT3/RSR/DP engines. Designed for 40hours of use.
65k installed.
In a narrow GT3 cup car... you would probably be door to door with the CGT.
Let me know if you want the phone number for the place PMNA
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530+Hp normally aspirated dyno tuned + tested 3.8 GT3/RSR/DP engines. Designed for 40hours of use.
65k installed.
In a narrow GT3 cup car... you would probably be door to door with the CGT.
Let me know if you want the phone number for the place
PMNAB
#26
12-31-2005, 12:36 PM
Very few cars are worth more than 50% of MSRP after 5 years. With more than 1100 made, it is not that rare. Look at a Ferrari 550 or a SL600 for an idea. Anybody want a Jag 220 at a huge discount....
Porsche actually has one of the highest resale values, but even at that 50% at 5 yrs is good.
Porsche actually has one of the highest resale values, but even at that 50% at 5 yrs is good.
#27
12-31-2005, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by PMac
Certainly, weight is the biggest drawback to the 996TT platform, but I wouldn't characterize the difference as the CGT 'flat-out destroy'ing the modified Turbo. Quicker in the hands of a pro, sure. I doubt any streetable 996TT have gotten down to 7:28 on the ring, but a 7:40, why not? How much of an ***-woopin is that on a 450 second lap for the extra 250k you had to spend to do it?
On the street, with anything less than pro drivers, and the AWD/PSM combo of the 996TT will allow you to get much closer to the limit than you dare in a CGT.
There's no doubt the CGT *is* intrinsically superior, but I suspect it's not a compelling enough distinction to hold up the market for over 1,000 of them.
Unless you supercharged the CGT, of course
(come on, Hamster, I'm teeing that one up for you )
Certainly, weight is the biggest drawback to the 996TT platform, but I wouldn't characterize the difference as the CGT 'flat-out destroy'ing the modified Turbo. Quicker in the hands of a pro, sure. I doubt any streetable 996TT have gotten down to 7:28 on the ring, but a 7:40, why not? How much of an ***-woopin is that on a 450 second lap for the extra 250k you had to spend to do it?
On the street, with anything less than pro drivers, and the AWD/PSM combo of the 996TT will allow you to get much closer to the limit than you dare in a CGT.
There's no doubt the CGT *is* intrinsically superior, but I suspect it's not a compelling enough distinction to hold up the market for over 1,000 of them.
Unless you supercharged the CGT, of course
(come on, Hamster, I'm teeing that one up for you
)
I am not sure you understand just how hard it is to get 7:40 from a 996TT. At that level, every fraction of a seconds is exponentially harder to shave off. Even the Gemballa GTR which ran a 7:32 costs somewhere close to $300K, and the base platform was a GT3, not a Turbo.
It's really not as easy as you might imagine.
#29
12-31-2005, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by Hamann7
In the hands of even an average driver, a Carrera GT at 6/10s will beat the **** out of a 996TT at 9/10ths.
In the hands of even an average driver, a Carrera GT at 6/10s will beat the **** out of a 996TT at 9/10ths.
On a typical 2-3 mile track, a 10-second N-ring advantage reduces to a couple of seconds per lap. So, I pay 450 k for my CGT , dash off a lap, then count 1 - hippopotamus - 2 - hippopotamus, and here comes the 150k modified 996TT.
I know, I could get into a Formula Ford for about the cost of a cup of coffee, and wipe the floor with both Porsches, and it's not really about that.
And I'm sure the CGT driver goes home with a bigger grin on his face, but in terms of g-forces (lat or long), the difference between the cars is maybe 10% tops, and with appropriate aero mods on the TT, maybe not that.
I don't for one second believe that it's a trivial matter to build a street car that laps Nring in 7:40, but in the real world, the performance envelopes are close enough that not enough people
a) value the difference (+ subjective ratings, too) at 250k
b) have the coin to drop 400k on the CGT
'das all's a'm sayins'
#30
12-31-2005, 04:33 PM
I have driven both the CGT and a GT2. Both on the track
I think by anyone's objective scale the differences are a lot greater than 10%.
In fact, the cars are engineered so differently I doubt there is a valid comparison. To begin with, to drive, each requires a different technique and focus.
The "value" equation, for each, is so skewed by the ability (or inability) to purchase either that comparisons are also meaningless, except to the individual with the wherewithal to choose either.
I think by anyone's objective scale the differences are a lot greater than 10%.
In fact, the cars are engineered so differently I doubt there is a valid comparison. To begin with, to drive, each requires a different technique and focus.
The "value" equation, for each, is so skewed by the ability (or inability) to purchase either that comparisons are also meaningless, except to the individual with the wherewithal to choose either.