Add Rennteam to the list. Nick has always been like that. It's OK, we've accepted him at Rennteam, makes for good entertainment. hehehehe. If you get bored, just ignore his comments.

Cheers,
-Nick

 

You guy's are very funny. I will leave you with some facts.

Fact: The CGT value is almost 30% below MSRP EVEN though it is a limited production "supercar". I believe that is unprecedented.

Fact: The sound of the CGT under full acceleration is one of the best sounds on a street car. When not under acceleration it sound is not worth listening to.

Fact: As a result, this Board sponsor has started to sell after market exhaust for the CGT and several owners lined up to purchase the same.

Fact: The CGT has been involved in proportionally more single car accidents than any other "supercar".

Fact:There are almost 100 CGT's for sale in the US today and this out of a total 600 delivered.

Fact: The 997TT beats the CGT in performance 0-62 and on the Hockeheim course which has many twisties and times are a little over one minute and ten sec.

Fact: If for street use the 997TT spanks the CGT in acceleration and twisties and costs $325,000 less, why would anyone buy a CGT?

Fact: This Board apparently does not like negative comments about its beloved Porsche so I will not post unless the remark is positive about the car. That should make you all happy and allow you to compliment one another on your great cars.

 

FACT: You have a negative reputation on 6speed, Rennteam, Ferrarichat and Rennlist.

FACT: You lurk and wait for someone to say anything negative about the F430 and then you strike in an effort to protect your "investment".

FACT: You add very little value to this forum.

Both cars are fantastic. Why can't you just enjoy them for what they are?

 

thats because all other supercars are kept in the garage collecting dust.. porsche owners buy to drive!

 

Fact: You're an idiot.

Fact: The CGT was meant to be driven, and is unlike the Enzos which sit collecting dust in people garages.

Porsche CGT owners are having fun spanking everyone else's cars and enjoying the CAR (ckey work, CAR) they bought. Just as someone put, you bought your 430 as an investment. You think it going to appreciate in value, well sorry to tell you but 20,000 replications of it will ensure just the opposite. The CGT is one of the single best cars EVER to be produced in Germany, and better yet the WORLD. Even at idol, the CGT sounds like a beast waiting to be unleashed from a cage. And at full acceleration you dont get any better. So take the trash you like to talk about our cars and keep it to yourself.

 

I agree the cgt sounds funny at idle. Its accually really bad! But again at high rpms its the best

The agrument about resale value is pointless!
Its based on the perseption of the potential buys not the facts of the car

 

No name calling!

 

So if the 997TT beats the CGT then where does that put the enzo? Who wants to spend 900K more???

 

The man has a point. It's nicer to put 650k-1mil on a vehicle and be able to get the same (or more) money out later.
The CGT dosen't seem to do that. But honestly, that's beyond the point. Unless your selling cars, if you have 3-400k to drop on a car, you shouldn't care to much about resale value. I mean I would have opted for a civic over my cayenne if I cared about resale value. You should not compare two different vehicles based on performance alone, because there are much cheaper vehicles which can easily spank those P or F cars. (Scary viper TT's)

It's a combination of style, performance, handling and most importantly - Appreciation of your vehicle. I used to love my Acura 3.2TL Type-S more then I love my cayenne now. For no other reason then 'it was in the right place, in the right time (in my life)'

That said. To me, and only to me, the CGT's styling doesn't exite me as much as an F430. Even if it is a mass produced vehicle. It's obvious that almost anyone would pick a CGT over an F430 at the same price because of 'extra exclusivity'. But say they were both mass produced vehicles, or limited. Given their MSRP's, I think I would take the F car. But then again, I would probably take a 997 GT3 Cup over that

2cents. More then I should spend a day!

 

Fact: You first fact is not a fact...it's your 'belief'.

Fact: Your last 'fact' is in fact, a question.

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Where did you get the information about the incidents of accidents involving CGT's?

 

Damn, I just made an awful repost and posted the same exact video in this section ... only a thread away.

I noticed that the car in the video belongs to the 6SPD member hah.

 

I honstly thought about the 430 for a minute because its a good car and fun but after driving for an hour the car bored me.
Also I don't like the word "entry level" anything for me.

Also on resale value again it does matter. I've seen a lot of people not care and when times got tough they wished they did.

Buying the 430 50k over window is not smart at all and to me an insult

 

you're stereotyping the whole membership of the board nick?

 

I like you Nick...haha, but just to chime in here, 0-62 times for supercars aren't the benchmark anymore. Any "performance" car can achieve a good 0-62 time. For supercars, the time to look for now is 0-100 or 0-120 mph. This was not from my mouth. This was from Porsche reps at Leipzig and in case you think they're biased, the Bugatti test driver I was with when I got to drive the Veyron, said the same thing (and he's a multi-time LeMans winner, so I'm sure he's experienced it all).

Cheers,
-Nick

 

I love these threads, I do. I'm sick. But so are any of you who read this deep into this thread.

Back to the topic -- having owned both cars mentioned, I would say they make excellent garage mates. The 430 is awesome (my comment when I bought it was "feels like Porsche got ahold of a Ferrari) and very easily an everyday car with the added benefit of decent storage space.

The CGT is a car that reminds you why you've decided to fall totally in love with cars. I cannot put a price on that. Do I wish they made 399 of them and brought them in in trickles so people wouldn't bash the price, sure -- that is assuming I could get one. But how about a little bow to the fact that at least Porsche made a car you don't have to "apply" to get your hands on. I for one am thankful for that.

More than ever car companies are making everyday supercars. Lambo, Ferrari, Audi, BMW is considering... But even though some have superior numbers that doesn't mean when you are driving them you feel that extra special something. The 430 will kill an f40 on a track -- so what. Strap 100 people in and measure their endorphins and the f40 will win 100 times out of 100. That is the same with the CGT. In time, people will come to appreciate that the way they do great cars like the f40, or the McClaren.

All I know is having driven in car crazy LA in everything from a 959 to a 430 Spyder (one of the first) NO CAR comes close to getting the love like the CGT. Men, Women, Kids... It makes people smile and take pictures and ask, "what is it". I think that's because they see the smile on my face. It's like the orgasm scene in when Harry Met Sally, when the lady says in reference to Meg Ryan's display: "I'll have what she's having."