CGT vs F430
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04-16-2006 | 09:40 PM
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looks like nberry also has something to say on FCHAT on the subject...i decided to reply...correct me if I erred on anything....
Originally Posted by nberry
Without a doubt it is probably the best track car (production-street legal) on the market today. Driven by a expereinced driver, it is performance Nirvana.
Ah but there is the rub. Its extraordinary performance is directly related to the driver skill level. Without electronic stability controls the car is unmanageable for 99% of the driver. Just look at the number of single cars accidents involving the CGT. We know of four deaths and several injuries. There are probably more but not known to us.
The interior is very small and does not allow for room other than the driver and passenger. A owner complained his wife could not even fit her tiny dog to go for a ride. There is not luggage space.
Driving on public streets is a jarring experience. The low front end requires taking routes to avoid low points. Getting into gas stations, driveways and even some garages is too suffer agony listening to the scraping of the front end. Because the front wheel wells are open road debris occasionally enters the driver compartment unless the windows are up.
Maintenance on the car is horrendous. At 20,000 miles a valve adjustement is needed which require almost the complete disassemby of the rear of the car. The cost of this is unknown but you can bet it is substantial.
The undercarridge has over 150 different type of screws each of which must go into exactly the same hole it was taken from. To change the oil requires its removal.
The clutch remains for some problematic but I suspect Porsche address the issue in its later production cycle. The early ones still have the issue. Replace of the clutch is estimated to be around $25,000.
Servicing the car requires a specialist and usually one person is trained at the dealersship though not all dealerships were trained. You need to hope the trained specialist is available.
Because of the composite materials to lift of the car requires special tools and equipment. Breakdown on the highway will be a nightmare.
I could go on but I think you get the picture.
Undriveable for 99% ? overexaggeration to the extreme...maybe just for those that lack a pair
Tight interior ? does the F430 have a bench seat ? the enzo spacious ? what a joke !
I have never modifed my route taken on a CGT ride due to scraping fears, that too is an exaggeration...just take the driveways and inclines at an angle like most low slung exotics, and you'll do fine (i'll show you 1000 miles and a pristine front end as proof instead of crap you hear as hearsay...
Maintenance is horrendous ? How much does an average 15k or 30k ferrari service cost ? The first major service on a Porsche is at 20k... I bet you it will still run cheaper than the sum of your Ferrari "major"s X 3 by that point...
150 screws ? maybe loose in your head...I just had an oil change as a yearly service...including all 60 screws, oil and filter, and yearly service, it was $399 THATS THREE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE DOLLARS (on a CGT) in case your pompous *** missed it...
Clutch is problematic for who ? those moneyed stiffs that don't know how to drive ? Certainly not for me..it is a pleasure and takes all of two drives to master...sorry it is too hard for you grandpa...
Servicing requires a specialist ? HAHAHAHA where do you take your Ferrari 430, jiffylube ?
Don't get me wrong folks, I love Ferrari...I drive an F40 and a CGT...but this type of blind ferrari arrogance is nauseating and turns me of the marque...This nberry tool is a blight on three or four different forums because of his constant anti-porsche propanganda...really is rather juvenile...
Last edited by RufMD : Today at 10:03 PM.
Originally Posted by nberry
Without a doubt it is probably the best track car (production-street legal) on the market today. Driven by a expereinced driver, it is performance Nirvana.
Ah but there is the rub. Its extraordinary performance is directly related to the driver skill level. Without electronic stability controls the car is unmanageable for 99% of the driver. Just look at the number of single cars accidents involving the CGT. We know of four deaths and several injuries. There are probably more but not known to us.
The interior is very small and does not allow for room other than the driver and passenger. A owner complained his wife could not even fit her tiny dog to go for a ride. There is not luggage space.
Driving on public streets is a jarring experience. The low front end requires taking routes to avoid low points. Getting into gas stations, driveways and even some garages is too suffer agony listening to the scraping of the front end. Because the front wheel wells are open road debris occasionally enters the driver compartment unless the windows are up.
Maintenance on the car is horrendous. At 20,000 miles a valve adjustement is needed which require almost the complete disassemby of the rear of the car. The cost of this is unknown but you can bet it is substantial.
The undercarridge has over 150 different type of screws each of which must go into exactly the same hole it was taken from. To change the oil requires its removal.
The clutch remains for some problematic but I suspect Porsche address the issue in its later production cycle. The early ones still have the issue. Replace of the clutch is estimated to be around $25,000.
Servicing the car requires a specialist and usually one person is trained at the dealersship though not all dealerships were trained. You need to hope the trained specialist is available.
Because of the composite materials to lift of the car requires special tools and equipment. Breakdown on the highway will be a nightmare.
I could go on but I think you get the picture.
Undriveable for 99% ? overexaggeration to the extreme...maybe just for those that lack a pair
Tight interior ? does the F430 have a bench seat ? the enzo spacious ? what a joke !
I have never modifed my route taken on a CGT ride due to scraping fears, that too is an exaggeration...just take the driveways and inclines at an angle like most low slung exotics, and you'll do fine (i'll show you 1000 miles and a pristine front end as proof instead of crap you hear as hearsay...
Maintenance is horrendous ? How much does an average 15k or 30k ferrari service cost ? The first major service on a Porsche is at 20k... I bet you it will still run cheaper than the sum of your Ferrari "major"s X 3 by that point...
150 screws ? maybe loose in your head...I just had an oil change as a yearly service...including all 60 screws, oil and filter, and yearly service, it was $399 THATS THREE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE DOLLARS (on a CGT) in case your pompous *** missed it...
Clutch is problematic for who ? those moneyed stiffs that don't know how to drive ? Certainly not for me..it is a pleasure and takes all of two drives to master...sorry it is too hard for you grandpa...
Servicing requires a specialist ? HAHAHAHA where do you take your Ferrari 430, jiffylube ?
Don't get me wrong folks, I love Ferrari...I drive an F40 and a CGT...but this type of blind ferrari arrogance is nauseating and turns me of the marque...This nberry tool is a blight on three or four different forums because of his constant anti-porsche propanganda...really is rather juvenile...
Last edited by RufMD : Today at 10:03 PM.
#93
04-16-2006 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RufMD
looks like nberry also has something to say on FCHAT on the subject...i decided to reply...correct me if I erred on anything....
Originally Posted by nberry
Without a doubt it is probably the best track car (production-street legal) on the market today. Driven by a expereinced driver, it is performance Nirvana.
Ah but there is the rub. Its extraordinary performance is directly related to the driver skill level. Without electronic stability controls the car is unmanageable for 99% of the driver. Just look at the number of single cars accidents involving the CGT. We know of four deaths and several injuries. There are probably more but not known to us.
The interior is very small and does not allow for room other than the driver and passenger. A owner complained his wife could not even fit her tiny dog to go for a ride. There is not luggage space.
Driving on public streets is a jarring experience. The low front end requires taking routes to avoid low points. Getting into gas stations, driveways and even some garages is too suffer agony listening to the scraping of the front end. Because the front wheel wells are open road debris occasionally enters the driver compartment unless the windows are up.
Maintenance on the car is horrendous. At 20,000 miles a valve adjustement is needed which require almost the complete disassemby of the rear of the car. The cost of this is unknown but you can bet it is substantial.
The undercarridge has over 150 different type of screws each of which must go into exactly the same hole it was taken from. To change the oil requires its removal.
The clutch remains for some problematic but I suspect Porsche address the issue in its later production cycle. The early ones still have the issue. Replace of the clutch is estimated to be around $25,000.
Servicing the car requires a specialist and usually one person is trained at the dealersship though not all dealerships were trained. You need to hope the trained specialist is available.
Because of the composite materials to lift of the car requires special tools and equipment. Breakdown on the highway will be a nightmare.
I could go on but I think you get the picture.
Undriveable for 99% ? overexaggeration to the extreme...maybe just for those that lack a pair
Tight interior ? does the F430 have a bench seat ? the enzo spacious ? what a joke !
I have never modifed my route taken on a CGT ride due to scraping fears, that too is an exaggeration...just take the driveways and inclines at an angle like most low slung exotics, and you'll do fine (i'll show you 1000 miles and a pristine front end as proof instead of crap you hear as hearsay...
Maintenance is horrendous ? How much does an average 15k or 30k ferrari service cost ? The first major service on a Porsche is at 20k... I bet you it will still run cheaper than the sum of your Ferrari "major"s X 3 by that point...
150 screws ? maybe loose in your head...I just had an oil change as a yearly service...including all 60 screws, oil and filter, and yearly service, it was $399 THATS THREE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE DOLLARS (on a CGT) in case your pompous *** missed it...
Clutch is problematic for who ? those moneyed stiffs that don't know how to drive ? Certainly not for me..it is a pleasure and takes all of two drives to master...sorry it is too hard for you grandpa...
Servicing requires a specialist ? HAHAHAHA where do you take your Ferrari 430, jiffylube ?
Don't get me wrong folks, I love Ferrari...I drive an F40 and a CGT...but this type of blind ferrari arrogance is nauseating and turns me of the marque...This nberry tool is a blight on three or four different forums because of his constant anti-porsche propanganda...really is rather juvenile...
Last edited by RufMD : Today at 10:03 PM.
Originally Posted by nberry
Without a doubt it is probably the best track car (production-street legal) on the market today. Driven by a expereinced driver, it is performance Nirvana.
Ah but there is the rub. Its extraordinary performance is directly related to the driver skill level. Without electronic stability controls the car is unmanageable for 99% of the driver. Just look at the number of single cars accidents involving the CGT. We know of four deaths and several injuries. There are probably more but not known to us.
The interior is very small and does not allow for room other than the driver and passenger. A owner complained his wife could not even fit her tiny dog to go for a ride. There is not luggage space.
Driving on public streets is a jarring experience. The low front end requires taking routes to avoid low points. Getting into gas stations, driveways and even some garages is too suffer agony listening to the scraping of the front end. Because the front wheel wells are open road debris occasionally enters the driver compartment unless the windows are up.
Maintenance on the car is horrendous. At 20,000 miles a valve adjustement is needed which require almost the complete disassemby of the rear of the car. The cost of this is unknown but you can bet it is substantial.
The undercarridge has over 150 different type of screws each of which must go into exactly the same hole it was taken from. To change the oil requires its removal.
The clutch remains for some problematic but I suspect Porsche address the issue in its later production cycle. The early ones still have the issue. Replace of the clutch is estimated to be around $25,000.
Servicing the car requires a specialist and usually one person is trained at the dealersship though not all dealerships were trained. You need to hope the trained specialist is available.
Because of the composite materials to lift of the car requires special tools and equipment. Breakdown on the highway will be a nightmare.
I could go on but I think you get the picture.
Undriveable for 99% ? overexaggeration to the extreme...maybe just for those that lack a pair
Tight interior ? does the F430 have a bench seat ? the enzo spacious ? what a joke !
I have never modifed my route taken on a CGT ride due to scraping fears, that too is an exaggeration...just take the driveways and inclines at an angle like most low slung exotics, and you'll do fine (i'll show you 1000 miles and a pristine front end as proof instead of crap you hear as hearsay...
Maintenance is horrendous ? How much does an average 15k or 30k ferrari service cost ? The first major service on a Porsche is at 20k... I bet you it will still run cheaper than the sum of your Ferrari "major"s X 3 by that point...
150 screws ? maybe loose in your head...I just had an oil change as a yearly service...including all 60 screws, oil and filter, and yearly service, it was $399 THATS THREE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE DOLLARS (on a CGT) in case your pompous *** missed it...
Clutch is problematic for who ? those moneyed stiffs that don't know how to drive ? Certainly not for me..it is a pleasure and takes all of two drives to master...sorry it is too hard for you grandpa...
Servicing requires a specialist ? HAHAHAHA where do you take your Ferrari 430, jiffylube ?
Don't get me wrong folks, I love Ferrari...I drive an F40 and a CGT...but this type of blind ferrari arrogance is nauseating and turns me of the marque...This nberry tool is a blight on three or four different forums because of his constant anti-porsche propanganda...really is rather juvenile...
Last edited by RufMD : Today at 10:03 PM.
#94
04-17-2006 | 02:07 AM
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lol, forum wars.
At the end of the week, it all disapears during the car show where everyone is smiling and having a good time.
This is just entertainment, no need for name callilng. Nick is a good man, even if he has fun playing games with porsche owners
At the end of the week, it all disapears during the car show where everyone is smiling and having a good time.
This is just entertainment, no need for name callilng. Nick is a good man, even if he has fun playing games with porsche owners
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04-17-2006 | 09:39 AM
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He's at it again!
I just think NB loves the attention he gets from different forums after he posts some type of bashing on their cars. He must live off of 'confrontation' between he and whomever. I have a CGT and a F430 and love driving them both around everywhere. Although I do disagree with RuffMD about the clutch. On any type of hill, it's still somewhat intimidating for me.
Service costs..? When I went to buy a 'supercar', I had read all kinds of reports about heavy duty service costs. That's something you take into consideration when you finally decide to buy your car. I'm sure that the costs on any of my cars will not be as cheap as my Range Rover. To be honest, I'm hoping to sell or trade each of my cars (maybe not the CGT) after 2 or 3 years with very low mileage (under 3 or 4K miles) and maybe avoid the repair costs. Michael
Service costs..? When I went to buy a 'supercar', I had read all kinds of reports about heavy duty service costs. That's something you take into consideration when you finally decide to buy your car. I'm sure that the costs on any of my cars will not be as cheap as my Range Rover. To be honest, I'm hoping to sell or trade each of my cars (maybe not the CGT) after 2 or 3 years with very low mileage (under 3 or 4K miles) and maybe avoid the repair costs. Michael
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04-17-2006 | 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by magwheel
To be honest, I'm hoping to sell or trade each of my cars (maybe not the CGT) after 2 or 3 years with very low mileage (under 3 or 4K miles) and maybe avoid the repair costs. Michael
BTW, great pictures in your other thread man!
Joe
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04-17-2006 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by SK90077
Also I don't like the word "entry level" anything for me.
Gary
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04-17-2006 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by magwheel
I just think NB loves the attention he gets from different forums after he posts some type of bashing on their cars. He must live off of 'confrontation' between he and whomever.
To be honest, I'm hoping to sell or trade each of my cars (maybe not the CGT) after 2 or 3 years with very low mileage (under 3 or 4K miles) and maybe avoid the repair costs. Michael
To be honest, I'm hoping to sell or trade each of my cars (maybe not the CGT) after 2 or 3 years with very low mileage (under 3 or 4K miles) and maybe avoid the repair costs. Michael
nick has an unhealthy obsession with the cgt in particular!
he crosses the line of confrontation to being just plain rude and boorish!
he rarely uses facts to back up what he posts and when he does he spins them to fit his own purpose!
as far as your cars i think you got the right idea!
i don't know what you paid for your cgt but think it would be the one to depreciate the least percentage wise going foward versus your other cars.
you ought to sell them instead of trading.
with the internet there are too many easy sales routes to take the wholesale trade loss.
next the mclaren f1! then the f40! and finish up witha zonda f!
i knew the cgt was your favorite!
you just gave yourself away!!!
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#99
04-17-2006 | 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by tdf360
So you would never consider a Gallardo or a Pagoni Zonda or a Saleen S7 or a Bugatti Veyron? They are all at the bottom end of their manufacturer's range, "entry level" cars if you look at it that way. And if you're bored by a 430 you are not a car guy at all.
Gary
Gary
-zonda s 7.3
-zonda roadster
-zonda f
-zonda f roadster
also US legalization is still pending
bugatti's site still lists the eb110 as a current model as well, which would be cheaper than a veyron.
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#100
04-17-2006 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by icon
pagani zonda is not a model designation
-zonda s 7.3
-zonda roadster
-zonda f
-zonda f roadster
also US legalization is still pending
bugatti's site still lists the eb110 as a current model as well, which would be cheaper than a veyron.
-zonda s 7.3
-zonda roadster
-zonda f
-zonda f roadster
also US legalization is still pending
bugatti's site still lists the eb110 as a current model as well, which would be cheaper than a veyron.
Gary
#102
04-17-2006 | 05:25 PM
"150 screws ? maybe loose in your head...I just had an oil change as a yearly service...including all 60 screws, oil and filter, and yearly service, it was $399 THATS THREE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE DOLLARS (on a CGT) in case your pompous *** missed it..."
HAHA Doc, your the man
HAHA Doc, your the man
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04-17-2006 | 10:30 PM
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Nick I think you at this point shouldn't leave the safety of your computer. You have such a wide range of BS opinions that anyone who sees you in public would laugh there *** off. You have no clue as to what your talking about 99% of the time.
FACT: 99% of people can't stand you
FACT: You have no driving skill and thats why you hate the CGT
FACT: Your FACTS are far from FACTS at all
FACT: It is your opinion really takes skill to use paddles
FACT: No CGT owner cares about the value of their CGT because they are to busy driving then.
FACT: The CGT for the purposes of this discussion kills your 430 ( not to compare)
FACT: We all know the CGT sound better than your 430
FACT: We all know the CGT is more fun to drive than your 430
FACT: I would perfer you never sit in a CGT again so we don't have to here about your about your soft *** butter *** hirting from the ride quality.
I don't think at this point the 1% left of you has a good thing to ssay about anything regarding Porsche so why do you come to a Porsche forum if for no other reason but to sound stupid. Have a good Easter.
FACT: 99% of people can't stand you
FACT: You have no driving skill and thats why you hate the CGT
FACT: Your FACTS are far from FACTS at all
FACT: It is your opinion really takes skill to use paddles
FACT: No CGT owner cares about the value of their CGT because they are to busy driving then.
FACT: The CGT for the purposes of this discussion kills your 430 ( not to compare)
FACT: We all know the CGT sound better than your 430
FACT: We all know the CGT is more fun to drive than your 430
FACT: I would perfer you never sit in a CGT again so we don't have to here about your about your soft *** butter *** hirting from the ride quality.
I don't think at this point the 1% left of you has a good thing to ssay about anything regarding Porsche so why do you come to a Porsche forum if for no other reason but to sound stupid. Have a good Easter.
