Which one: 996GT2 vs. 997GT3
#16
07-27-2006 | 11:21 PM
Originally Posted by iceman996
Cheaper than 997GT3?? Why?? I look at Ebay almost everyday now and never seen one below $110K, with good condition!
How about next year, or 2008? Will 996GT2 below 100K? Used 997GT3 will be for sure but I really have no idea about 996 GT2. My wife likes the M5, but I only want 911 GT cars, they are the Pure Porsche.
How about next year, or 2008? Will 996GT2 below 100K? Used 997GT3 will be for sure but I really have no idea about 996 GT2. My wife likes the M5, but I only want 911 GT cars, they are the Pure Porsche.
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07-28-2006 | 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Karrera4
GT3...its new, a little more "pure" and you cant argue with 420+ NA hp!!
Oh, and traction control also mandatory.
And did I mention PASM?
The 996 GT2/3 have:
No sunroof
No traction control
No PASM, you can, however, adjust the ride heights, sway bar, and camber manually.
Sounds a lot more pure than a sunroof laden "GT3" with traction control, doesn't it?
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07-28-2006 | 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 9Eleven
I went from a 3 to a 2. Man, am I happy.
The new GT3 has the sunroof issues that I just won't buy on principle along. They want to screw the U.S. market, fine, just not with me as a willing screwee.
#19
07-28-2006 | 01:09 AM
Originally Posted by stuka
It's so pure that it has a mandatory non deletable sunroof.
Oh, and traction control also mandatory.
And did I mention PASM?
The 996 GT2/3 have:
No sunroof
No traction control
No PASM, you can, however, adjust the ride heights, sway bar, and camber manually.
Sounds a lot more pure than a sunroof laden "GT3" with traction control, doesn't it?
Oh, and traction control also mandatory.
And did I mention PASM?
The 996 GT2/3 have:
No sunroof
No traction control
No PASM, you can, however, adjust the ride heights, sway bar, and camber manually.
Sounds a lot more pure than a sunroof laden "GT3" with traction control, doesn't it?
#20
07-28-2006 | 03:21 AM
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You are going to have to start weighing the pros and cons. Both cars offer a lot of good while giving you very few negatives. So you should not go wrong with either one...
997 GT3:
PROS...
-probably 4 or 5 years newer(probably going to find an 02 or 03 GT2)
-Still has full factory warranty
-NA power=less issues when tracked
-Newer design(I love the 997 look better than the 996 even though I own a 996).
-Probably more street friendly while still probably going to be superior on the track.
CONS:
-Not as raw as the GT2 or 996 GT3
-NA power means no 100hp bumps in power with ecu/exhaust work.
996 GT2:
PROS:
-Turbo Power means easy to mod.
-More exclusive than the 997 GT3 will be.
-More raw
-Readily available mods(will have to wait for 997 GT3)
-Will probably hold its value better in the long run.
CONS:
-Turbo's have more problems on the track.
-Older design.
-Probably almost out of warranty
I guess it all depends on what you want. I bought a 996 GT3 because a 996 GT2 would have been out of the range. I would have probably opted for the GT2 because it is more car. However, after tracking the GT3 this past week, I am in love and would be hard pressed to give her up for anything. If I had to chose one of the two cars I would go with the 997 GT3 just because it is newer technology and has much more to offer. Porsche tends to always up the game with each new model and series of 911. I am pretty sure the 997 GT3 is a big step foward(I know, i know the sunroof sucks
). Maybe in several years I will keep the 996 GT3 and go for a 997 GT2, but that is a dream for now. good luck with your decision, either choice is a great one.
997 GT3:
PROS...
-probably 4 or 5 years newer(probably going to find an 02 or 03 GT2)
-Still has full factory warranty
-NA power=less issues when tracked
-Newer design(I love the 997 look better than the 996 even though I own a 996).
-Probably more street friendly while still probably going to be superior on the track.
CONS:
-Not as raw as the GT2 or 996 GT3
-NA power means no 100hp bumps in power with ecu/exhaust work.
996 GT2:
PROS:
-Turbo Power means easy to mod.
-More exclusive than the 997 GT3 will be.
-More raw
-Readily available mods(will have to wait for 997 GT3)
-Will probably hold its value better in the long run.
CONS:
-Turbo's have more problems on the track.
-Older design.
-Probably almost out of warranty
I guess it all depends on what you want. I bought a 996 GT3 because a 996 GT2 would have been out of the range. I would have probably opted for the GT2 because it is more car. However, after tracking the GT3 this past week, I am in love and would be hard pressed to give her up for anything. If I had to chose one of the two cars I would go with the 997 GT3 just because it is newer technology and has much more to offer. Porsche tends to always up the game with each new model and series of 911. I am pretty sure the 997 GT3 is a big step foward(I know, i know the sunroof sucks
). Maybe in several years I will keep the 996 GT3 and go for a 997 GT2, but that is a dream for now. good luck with your decision, either choice is a great one.
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07-28-2006 | 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by stuka
Went from Turbo to GT2, couldn't be happier.
The new GT3 has the sunroof issues that I just won't buy on principle along. They want to screw the U.S. market, fine, just not with me as a willing screwee.
The new GT3 has the sunroof issues that I just won't buy on principle along. They want to screw the U.S. market, fine, just not with me as a willing screwee.
jeff
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07-28-2006 | 06:09 AM
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I like the GT3 more - suits my driving style. I don't like that "instant on" turbo punch in anything w/o AWD or on a racetrack. Nothing like coming on boost during a long sweeper on the freeway... 
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07-28-2006 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BOYRACER
You are going to have to start weighing the pros and cons. Both cars offer a lot of good while giving you very few negatives. So you should not go wrong with either one...
997 GT3:
PROS...
-probably 4 or 5 years newer(probably going to find an 02 or 03 GT2)
-Still has full factory warranty
-NA power=less issues when tracked
-Newer design(I love the 997 look better than the 996 even though I own a 996).
-Probably more street friendly while still probably going to be superior on the track.
CONS:
-Not as raw as the GT2 or 996 GT3
-NA power means no 100hp bumps in power with ecu/exhaust work.
996 GT2:
PROS:
-Turbo Power means easy to mod.
-More exclusive than the 997 GT3 will be.
-More raw
-Readily available mods(will have to wait for 997 GT3)
-Will probably hold its value better in the long run.
CONS:
-Turbo's have more problems on the track.
-Older design.
-Probably almost out of warranty
I guess it all depends on what you want. I bought a 996 GT3 because a 996 GT2 would have been out of the range. I would have probably opted for the GT2 because it is more car. However, after tracking the GT3 this past week, I am in love and would be hard pressed to give her up for anything. If I had to chose one of the two cars I would go with the 997 GT3 just because it is newer technology and has much more to offer. Porsche tends to always up the game with each new model and series of 911. I am pretty sure the 997 GT3 is a big step foward(I know, i know the sunroof sucks ). Maybe in several years I will keep the 996 GT3 and go for a 997 GT2, but that is a dream for now. good luck with your decision, either choice is a great one.
997 GT3:
PROS...
-probably 4 or 5 years newer(probably going to find an 02 or 03 GT2)
-Still has full factory warranty
-NA power=less issues when tracked
-Newer design(I love the 997 look better than the 996 even though I own a 996).
-Probably more street friendly while still probably going to be superior on the track.
CONS:
-Not as raw as the GT2 or 996 GT3
-NA power means no 100hp bumps in power with ecu/exhaust work.
996 GT2:
PROS:
-Turbo Power means easy to mod.
-More exclusive than the 997 GT3 will be.
-More raw
-Readily available mods(will have to wait for 997 GT3)
-Will probably hold its value better in the long run.
CONS:
-Turbo's have more problems on the track.
-Older design.
-Probably almost out of warranty
I guess it all depends on what you want. I bought a 996 GT3 because a 996 GT2 would have been out of the range. I would have probably opted for the GT2 because it is more car. However, after tracking the GT3 this past week, I am in love and would be hard pressed to give her up for anything. If I had to chose one of the two cars I would go with the 997 GT3 just because it is newer technology and has much more to offer. Porsche tends to always up the game with each new model and series of 911. I am pretty sure the 997 GT3 is a big step foward(I know, i know the sunroof sucks
). Maybe in several years I will keep the 996 GT3 and go for a 997 GT2, but that is a dream for now. good luck with your decision, either choice is a great one.
Now I think I need to start bargain with my wife, it will be a long story....
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07-28-2006 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris from Cali
I like the GT3 more - suits my driving style. I don't like that "instant on" turbo punch in anything w/o AWD or on a racetrack. Nothing like coming on boost during a long sweeper on the freeway...
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07-28-2006 | 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by iceman996
Thanks Bro! I remember saw your post on your new black GT3 with upgraded front brake, nice ride!! and I just love the 911 GT series. I wasn't plan on 911 since my first baby is coming out this Dec. But after I sit down in one last week with my friend. Man, I must get one!! The GT car makes me feel my Cayenne Turbo slow like my old Corolla!!
Now I think I need to start bargain with my wife, it will be a long story....
Now I think I need to start bargain with my wife, it will be a long story....
Good luck with the wife....that seems to always be a tough convo...my gf who obviously should have no control over my spending even complained about the purchase. Women think of these things very different than we do.
Best of luck finding the right car. I am sure you will figure out which one is best for you. you can't go wrong either way.
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07-29-2006 | 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by iLLM3
996GT2 will never be cheaper then a 997GT3!!
There were quite a few things that could have been improved on the stock 996 GT2: Turbo Lag, bump steer, understeer, brakes. A 997 GT2 with the suspension geometry improvements from the 996 GT3RS/997 GT3, the 997TT Turbos, PCCB II, will be a nice car.
Once Porsche officially announces the 997 GT2, the 996 GT2 will have price drop on the used market. There are around 300 996 GT2 and 900 996 GT3 in U.S., basically one GT2 for every three GT3.
I found a Seal Grey GT2 for $97k, with 20,000 miles. I'm not shopping for a car right now. 997 GT3 will start at $106k + gas guzzler + destination + options. Typical 997 GT3 stickers will be around $113k-$125k.
Most of the 996 GT2 are coming out of warranty right now. Transmissions, PCCB rotors, Turbos, are not cheap to maintain, so out of warranty cars are not selling at strong prices.
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07-29-2006 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by NJ-GT
The 997 GT2 is coming.
There were quite a few things that could have been improved on the stock 996 GT2: Turbo Lag, bump steer, understeer, brakes. A 997 GT2 with the suspension geometry improvements from the 996 GT3RS/997 GT3, the 997TT Turbos, PCCB II, will be a nice car.
There were quite a few things that could have been improved on the stock 996 GT2: Turbo Lag, bump steer, understeer, brakes. A 997 GT2 with the suspension geometry improvements from the 996 GT3RS/997 GT3, the 997TT Turbos, PCCB II, will be a nice car.
As for geometry improvements... those can be retrofitted to the GT2, albeit at a pretty penny.
Uprights, control arms, monoballs, etc. pretty much solve the understeer/bumpsteer problem... though I never really saw understeer as an issue if you set the car up right.Turbo lag is not really so bad as some might think, like most turbo cars, it comes down to being in the right gear... for those of us who want to upgrade, the VTG turbos are really a moot point, I think.
If the GT2 does come to the states and looks better than the hideous test mules, I will probably get one... but the 996 GT2 stays, especially with the level of modifications that are going on the car.
I know it's sorta apples to oranges, but look at 993 GT2 values-- they only seem to be going up. I think the 996 GT2 is destined to become a classic and a collectible, as it is really the only reminder (other than the RS) that Porsche can still make pure and raw sports cars. I predict the 997 version will be quite antiseptic, with PSM, PASM, and all that other electronic BS.
Only time will tell, but in the end, it'll be like comparing a 993 RS to a 997 GT3. Both will have their loyal followers.
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07-29-2006 | 12:06 PM
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I agree with Tyson 100%. Check out the values of the 993GT2
GT2 EVO Race car 97500 EUR
GT2 EVO CS 116,000 EUR and VAT deductible
GT2 EVO Race car 2 147K EUR
GT2 EVO Race Car FIA 186K EUR
GT2 EVO Race car 97500 EUR
GT2 EVO CS 116,000 EUR and VAT deductible
GT2 EVO Race car 2 147K EUR
GT2 EVO Race Car FIA 186K EUR
#30
07-29-2006 | 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by Hamann7
We shall see about those improvements... PASM is not necessarily a good thing for people who want more damper adjustability for the track.
As for geometry improvements... those can be retrofitted to the GT2, albeit at a pretty penny. Uprights, control arms, monoballs, etc. pretty much solve the understeer/bumpsteer problem... though I never really saw understeer as an issue if you set the car up right.
Turbo lag is not really so bad as some might think, like most turbo cars, it comes down to being in the right gear... for those of us who want to upgrade, the VTG turbos are really a moot point, I think.
If the GT2 does come to the states and looks better than the hideous test mules, I will probably get one... but the 996 GT2 stays, especially with the level of modifications that are going on the car.
I know it's sorta apples to oranges, but look at 993 GT2 values-- they only seem to be going up. I think the 996 GT2 is destined to become a classic and a collectible, as it is really the only reminder (other than the RS) that Porsche can still make pure and raw sports cars. I predict the 997 version will be quite antiseptic, with PSM, PASM, and all that other electronic BS.
Only time will tell, but in the end, it'll be like comparing a 993 RS to a 997 GT3. Both will have their loyal followers.
As for geometry improvements... those can be retrofitted to the GT2, albeit at a pretty penny.
Uprights, control arms, monoballs, etc. pretty much solve the understeer/bumpsteer problem... though I never really saw understeer as an issue if you set the car up right.Turbo lag is not really so bad as some might think, like most turbo cars, it comes down to being in the right gear... for those of us who want to upgrade, the VTG turbos are really a moot point, I think.
If the GT2 does come to the states and looks better than the hideous test mules, I will probably get one... but the 996 GT2 stays, especially with the level of modifications that are going on the car.
I know it's sorta apples to oranges, but look at 993 GT2 values-- they only seem to be going up. I think the 996 GT2 is destined to become a classic and a collectible, as it is really the only reminder (other than the RS) that Porsche can still make pure and raw sports cars. I predict the 997 version will be quite antiseptic, with PSM, PASM, and all that other electronic BS.
Only time will tell, but in the end, it'll be like comparing a 993 RS to a 997 GT3. Both will have their loyal followers.
02 GT2 with 28k miles, buy it now of 118k. Not saying it will sell at that price, but its still up there!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsc...12205293QQrdZ1