Is the 997 GT3 $50k better than a 996 GT3?
#31
10-27-2006, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Red02996
Wait two years and the 7 GT3 will be down in the 80's while the 6 GT3 will have stabilized in the, say, high 50's/low 60's...in other words the current $ 50K differential will be reduced to 30 or maybe even less...depreciation curves start steep and then flatten out.
Anyway, I don't think 997 GT3 prices will sag much at all until the next model comes out. You cannot compare them to turbos, at least not 996 TTs. They sold so many of those things, depreciation was murder. (Ask me how I know.) GT3s seem to be much more rare, and thus hold value much better.
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Interesting Thread and varying perspectives. I always found that when you purchase a machine in the 6 figures, you purchase it for the WOW factor and not trying to hedge, or even consider the depreciation factors. It's pretty simple, those that have the means do, and those that don't, wait for the flattening of the depreciative valuations...
#34
10-28-2006, 10:11 AM
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Obviously, not having driven the 997 version, its hard to answer this question. However, my take as a current 996 GT3 owner and given all the initial reports I would say not. My current perspective is that it's not even $25k better.
#36
10-28-2006, 11:07 AM
Originally Posted by Adrift
I don't think the 997 GT3 prices will sag much until the 998 (or whatever) GT3 is released. Until very recently, people were VERY proud of their 996 GT3s. I saw advertised prices in the high $90s and even some over $100k!!!! Uh yeah. When for $6k more I can get a NEW 997 GT3?
Anyway, I don't think 997 GT3 prices will sag much at all until the next model comes out. You cannot compare them to turbos, at least not 996 TTs. They sold so many of those things, depreciation was murder. (Ask me how I know.) GT3s seem to be much more rare, and thus hold value much better.
Anyway, I don't think 997 GT3 prices will sag much at all until the next model comes out. You cannot compare them to turbos, at least not 996 TTs. They sold so many of those things, depreciation was murder. (Ask me how I know.) GT3s seem to be much more rare, and thus hold value much better.
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10-28-2006, 11:10 AM
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I like the 997GT3 better all the way around. The RS would be the ultimate, I may try and pick one up in a couple of years.
#38
10-28-2006, 11:34 AM
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Even after reading initial reviews, I still think that 996 and 997 GT3 will be very close in performance stock with the 997 having the edge based on newer technology. However, a few strategic mods on the 996 car can change or balance the equation. Certainly the new GT3RS would be even more desirable. We'll just have to wait until we have real world experience with both to really know. I can tell you that my appreciation for the 996GT3 has grown beyond my expectations. What a fun,visceral ride. I really can't imagine that the 997 version would be that much better.
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10-28-2006, 12:39 PM
The new car tub is heavier, and the U.S version even heavier due to the powered-roof (worse location for extra weight). The transmission ratios were shortened a little bit, but the rear tire diameter was increased by 1.3" so it pretty much have useless 5th and 6th gears for spirited and track driving. How much more power has it? 35Hp they say. I would rather hook a stock 996 GT3 and a stock 997 GT3 and let the dyno tell the difference.
The acceleration numbers obtained from AutoBild were slower than the ones obtained in the U.S. magazines for the 996 GT3. As I've said before, the 997 GT3 could be 0.3 to 0.5 secs faster than the 996 GT3 on a 60 secs course, given the same tires are being used in both cars. On straight line, the 996 and 997 GT3 will be very close in performance.
I'm very dissappointed with the lame effort Porsche has done with the new GT3. When the 996 GT3 was released back in 1999, the 360 Modena, the C5 Corvette could not compete with it. Then Ferrari released a 360CS, GM a C5 Z06, and Porsche a mk2 GT3 (our U.S. 996 GT3). GM and Ferrari were closer in performance to the 996 GT3. Now Ferrari has released an F430, with an F430CS coming soon, GM has released a C6 Z06, Chrysler has evolved the Viper. The competition got so much better, and the GT3 got barely better.
The new car with the power-roof is worth nothing for me. I would not buy such car. There is more use of carbon fibre in the Z06, F430 and BMW these days. Porsche only uses carbon fibre for the 997 GT3 cosmetic panels (optional). They could have built a lighter and more powerful 997 GT3, a 3.8 dry-sump with 450Hp and lightweight trunk lid, hood, fenders, seats, wheels.
The acceleration numbers obtained from AutoBild were slower than the ones obtained in the U.S. magazines for the 996 GT3. As I've said before, the 997 GT3 could be 0.3 to 0.5 secs faster than the 996 GT3 on a 60 secs course, given the same tires are being used in both cars. On straight line, the 996 and 997 GT3 will be very close in performance.
I'm very dissappointed with the lame effort Porsche has done with the new GT3. When the 996 GT3 was released back in 1999, the 360 Modena, the C5 Corvette could not compete with it. Then Ferrari released a 360CS, GM a C5 Z06, and Porsche a mk2 GT3 (our U.S. 996 GT3). GM and Ferrari were closer in performance to the 996 GT3. Now Ferrari has released an F430, with an F430CS coming soon, GM has released a C6 Z06, Chrysler has evolved the Viper. The competition got so much better, and the GT3 got barely better.
The new car with the power-roof is worth nothing for me. I would not buy such car. There is more use of carbon fibre in the Z06, F430 and BMW these days. Porsche only uses carbon fibre for the 997 GT3 cosmetic panels (optional). They could have built a lighter and more powerful 997 GT3, a 3.8 dry-sump with 450Hp and lightweight trunk lid, hood, fenders, seats, wheels.
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Speaking from what other people have said, the 997 is supposed to be much more stable. I have lots of folks talk about the rear end on the 996 not really being sorted out well, and that it can bite you pretty badly (although I also heard wider tires will settle things down). The 996 GT3 looks pretty tame, IMO (same 996 slab-side look), but $50k is a lot of dinero for a body kit!
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#42
10-28-2006, 02:17 PM
Originally Posted by NJ-GT
The new car tub is heavier, and the U.S version even heavier due to the powered-roof (worse location for extra weight). The transmission ratios were shortened a little bit, but the rear tire diameter was increased by 1.3" so it pretty much have useless 5th and 6th gears for spirited and track driving. How much more power has it? 35Hp they say. I would rather hook a stock 996 GT3 and a stock 997 GT3 and let the dyno tell the difference.
The acceleration numbers obtained from AutoBild were slower than the ones obtained in the U.S. magazines for the 996 GT3. As I've said before, the 997 GT3 could be 0.3 to 0.5 secs faster than the 996 GT3 on a 60 secs course, given the same tires are being used in both cars. On straight line, the 996 and 997 GT3 will be very close in performance.
I'm very dissappointed with the lame effort Porsche has done with the new GT3. When the 996 GT3 was released back in 1999, the 360 Modena, the C5 Corvette could not compete with it. Then Ferrari released a 360CS, GM a C5 Z06, and Porsche a mk2 GT3 (our U.S. 996 GT3). GM and Ferrari were closer in performance to the 996 GT3. Now Ferrari has released an F430, with an F430CS coming soon, GM has released a C6 Z06, Chrysler has evolved the Viper. The competition got so much better, and the GT3 got barely better.
The new car with the power-roof is worth nothing for me. I would not buy such car. There is more use of carbon fibre in the Z06, F430 and BMW these days. Porsche only uses carbon fibre for the 997 GT3 cosmetic panels (optional). They could have built a lighter and more powerful 997 GT3, a 3.8 dry-sump with 450Hp and lightweight trunk lid, hood, fenders, seats, wheels.
The acceleration numbers obtained from AutoBild were slower than the ones obtained in the U.S. magazines for the 996 GT3. As I've said before, the 997 GT3 could be 0.3 to 0.5 secs faster than the 996 GT3 on a 60 secs course, given the same tires are being used in both cars. On straight line, the 996 and 997 GT3 will be very close in performance.
I'm very dissappointed with the lame effort Porsche has done with the new GT3. When the 996 GT3 was released back in 1999, the 360 Modena, the C5 Corvette could not compete with it. Then Ferrari released a 360CS, GM a C5 Z06, and Porsche a mk2 GT3 (our U.S. 996 GT3). GM and Ferrari were closer in performance to the 996 GT3. Now Ferrari has released an F430, with an F430CS coming soon, GM has released a C6 Z06, Chrysler has evolved the Viper. The competition got so much better, and the GT3 got barely better.
The new car with the power-roof is worth nothing for me. I would not buy such car. There is more use of carbon fibre in the Z06, F430 and BMW these days. Porsche only uses carbon fibre for the 997 GT3 cosmetic panels (optional). They could have built a lighter and more powerful 997 GT3, a 3.8 dry-sump with 450Hp and lightweight trunk lid, hood, fenders, seats, wheels.
#43
10-28-2006, 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by NJ-GT
The new car tub is heavier, and the U.S version even heavier due to the powered-roof (worse location for extra weight). The transmission ratios were shortened a little bit, but the rear tire diameter was increased by 1.3" so it pretty much have useless 5th and 6th gears for spirited and track driving. How much more power has it? 35Hp they say. I would rather hook a stock 996 GT3 and a stock 997 GT3 and let the dyno tell the difference.
The acceleration numbers obtained from AutoBild were slower than the ones obtained in the U.S. magazines for the 996 GT3. As I've said before, the 997 GT3 could be 0.3 to 0.5 secs faster than the 996 GT3 on a 60 secs course, given the same tires are being used in both cars. On straight line, the 996 and 997 GT3 will be very close in performance.
I'm very dissappointed with the lame effort Porsche has done with the new GT3. When the 996 GT3 was released back in 1999, the 360 Modena, the C5 Corvette could not compete with it. Then Ferrari released a 360CS, GM a C5 Z06, and Porsche a mk2 GT3 (our U.S. 996 GT3). GM and Ferrari were closer in performance to the 996 GT3. Now Ferrari has released an F430, with an F430CS coming soon, GM has released a C6 Z06, Chrysler has evolved the Viper. The competition got so much better, and the GT3 got barely better.
The new car with the power-roof is worth nothing for me. I would not buy such car. There is more use of carbon fibre in the Z06, F430 and BMW these days. Porsche only uses carbon fibre for the 997 GT3 cosmetic panels (optional). They could have built a lighter and more powerful 997 GT3, a 3.8 dry-sump with 450Hp and lightweight trunk lid, hood, fenders, seats, wheels.
The acceleration numbers obtained from AutoBild were slower than the ones obtained in the U.S. magazines for the 996 GT3. As I've said before, the 997 GT3 could be 0.3 to 0.5 secs faster than the 996 GT3 on a 60 secs course, given the same tires are being used in both cars. On straight line, the 996 and 997 GT3 will be very close in performance.
I'm very dissappointed with the lame effort Porsche has done with the new GT3. When the 996 GT3 was released back in 1999, the 360 Modena, the C5 Corvette could not compete with it. Then Ferrari released a 360CS, GM a C5 Z06, and Porsche a mk2 GT3 (our U.S. 996 GT3). GM and Ferrari were closer in performance to the 996 GT3. Now Ferrari has released an F430, with an F430CS coming soon, GM has released a C6 Z06, Chrysler has evolved the Viper. The competition got so much better, and the GT3 got barely better.
The new car with the power-roof is worth nothing for me. I would not buy such car. There is more use of carbon fibre in the Z06, F430 and BMW these days. Porsche only uses carbon fibre for the 997 GT3 cosmetic panels (optional). They could have built a lighter and more powerful 997 GT3, a 3.8 dry-sump with 450Hp and lightweight trunk lid, hood, fenders, seats, wheels.
#44
10-28-2006, 03:08 PM
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"They could have built a lighter and more powerful 997 GT3, a 3.8 dry-sump with 450Hp and lightweight trunk lid, hood, fenders, seats, wheels." -still with out a sunroof.
Exactly! This is the car they should have built in order to preclude other alternatives. The new RS or GT2 would be my only Porsche consideration at this point-or maybe a nicely done 996GT2 w/ GT700 kit...
Exactly! This is the car they should have built in order to preclude other alternatives. The new RS or GT2 would be my only Porsche consideration at this point-or maybe a nicely done 996GT2 w/ GT700 kit...
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10-28-2006, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by NelsonF
"The new RS or GT2 would be my only Porsche consideration at this point-or maybe a nicely done 996GT2 w/ GT700 kit...