Best Engine in the World?
#16
11-19-2006 | 03:10 AM
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Not to be cheeky, but the lowly Civic Type-R's B16B makes 185HP from 1.6 liters, or 116HP/liter. not only does it beat the GT3, but this engine is very very cheap, and has been around for many years.
i'm no honda fanatic (i don't even own one). but that's still impressive **** for a motor that's a fraction the cost of the other motors mentioned.
beyond that, as others have said, the BMW S54, and the lump in the current M5/M6 are really impressive. the V10 revs past 8k RPM, and its a BIG engine-- 5 liters, vs only 3.6 liters for the Porsche. getting those kinda revs on a production engine that large is pretty darn fantastic. on paper, i'd argue that its even more impressive than what Porsche has wrought with the GT3.
i'm no honda fanatic (i don't even own one). but that's still impressive **** for a motor that's a fraction the cost of the other motors mentioned.
beyond that, as others have said, the BMW S54, and the lump in the current M5/M6 are really impressive. the V10 revs past 8k RPM, and its a BIG engine-- 5 liters, vs only 3.6 liters for the Porsche. getting those kinda revs on a production engine that large is pretty darn fantastic. on paper, i'd argue that its even more impressive than what Porsche has wrought with the GT3.
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11-19-2006 | 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris from Cali
Honda F20C (S2000 2.0L) - 240 hp / 2.0L = 120 hp/L
I do agree about the GT3 engine. I would add the BMW V10, the F430's V8, and the Z06's LS7 to that list. The reasons are not just for specific output, but technology and broad powerbands.
I do agree about the GT3 engine. I would add the BMW V10, the F430's V8, and the Z06's LS7 to that list. The reasons are not just for specific output, but technology and broad powerbands.
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11-19-2006 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by hesperus
Not to be cheeky, but the lowly Civic Type-R's B16B makes 185HP from 1.6 liters, or 116HP/liter. not only does it beat the GT3, but this engine is very very cheap, and has been around for many years.
i'm no honda fanatic (i don't even own one). but that's still impressive **** for a motor that's a fraction the cost of the other motors mentioned.
beyond that, as others have said, the BMW S54, and the lump in the current M5/M6 are really impressive. the V10 revs past 8k RPM, and its a BIG engine-- 5 liters, vs only 3.6 liters for the Porsche. getting those kinda revs on a production engine that large is pretty darn fantastic. on paper, i'd argue that its even more impressive than what Porsche has wrought with the GT3.
i'm no honda fanatic (i don't even own one). but that's still impressive **** for a motor that's a fraction the cost of the other motors mentioned.
beyond that, as others have said, the BMW S54, and the lump in the current M5/M6 are really impressive. the V10 revs past 8k RPM, and its a BIG engine-- 5 liters, vs only 3.6 liters for the Porsche. getting those kinda revs on a production engine that large is pretty darn fantastic. on paper, i'd argue that its even more impressive than what Porsche has wrought with the GT3.
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11-19-2006 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ZRW
997 GT3 Engine is the best in the world right now. Bar none.
The Ferrari F430 engine is superb too.
But............
the S54, considering it punched out over 100hp/L as a 2001 model, and that 100,000 S54s will eventually find their places into M models...
is the best medium displacement, mass produced engine ever. BMW has apparently said they will never make anything like it again.
I wonder if the new V8 M3 will have anything as hellacious.
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The Ferrari F430 engine is superb too.
But............
the S54, considering it punched out over 100hp/L as a 2001 model, and that 100,000 S54s will eventually find their places into M models...
is the best medium displacement, mass produced engine ever. BMW has apparently said they will never make anything like it again.
I wonder if the new V8 M3 will have anything as hellacious.
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Cheers,
Z.
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11-19-2006 | 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 6088TTS
Well i have been modding(well my buddy does it for me) Honda engines for years... sorry to correct you but is the B18C that produces 185HP... the B16 only around 170 and that is the JDM version which was in the Civic Type R Type EK
the B18C found in the Integra Type-R (but frequently swapped in to the EK and even EG bodied Civics) is 1.8 liters had 200HP from the factory. however, that's a lower specific output than the B16 in the Civic.
I don't own any Hondas, but Type-R B16's and B18's are THE most popular performance motors in my country (simply a function of economics) so I'm reasonably confident about my assertions. You can google it too.
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P.S. no arguments about the GT3 engine being a good 'un (I'm biased!)
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11-19-2006 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by hesperus
sorry i'm afraid you have it wrong. the B16B in the EK bodied JDM Type-R is 1.6 liters and 185HP.
the B18C found in the Integra Type-R (but frequently swapped in to the EK and even EG bodied Civics) is 1.8 liters had 200HP from the factory. however, that's a lower specific output than the B16 in the Civic.
I don't own any Hondas, but Type-R B16's and B18's are THE most popular performance motors in my country (simply a function of economics) so I'm reasonably confident about my assertions. You can google it too.
Peace!
P.S. no arguments about the GT3 engine being a good 'un (I'm biased!)
the B18C found in the Integra Type-R (but frequently swapped in to the EK and even EG bodied Civics) is 1.8 liters had 200HP from the factory. however, that's a lower specific output than the B16 in the Civic.
I don't own any Hondas, but Type-R B16's and B18's are THE most popular performance motors in my country (simply a function of economics) so I'm reasonably confident about my assertions. You can google it too.
Peace!
P.S. no arguments about the GT3 engine being a good 'un (I'm biased!)
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11-19-2006 | 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 6088TTS
only if the S54 didn't blow up so much in the first year of production...
The GT3 engine is my favorite N/A engine overall, though.
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11-19-2006 | 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
It never "blew up". But it have rod bearing failures. Unfortunately, it's still more reliable than Porsche's 6-speed transmissions.
The GT3 engine is my favorite N/A engine overall, though.
The GT3 engine is my favorite N/A engine overall, though.
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11-19-2006 | 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 6088TTS
whats wrong with the 6speeds??? never had a problem
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11-19-2006 | 05:40 AM
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hummm... i've never had this problem in none of my Porsches... weird... what is a 'pop out'??? does it pop out all the time??? or just once in a while due to not shifting properly??? cuz alot of cars 'pop out' of gear due to not shifting completely in to gear... even the Gallardo 6speed i drove it took some pressure to fully ingauge 2nd... just wondering
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11-19-2006 | 05:52 AM
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Apparently it pops out while in 2nd gear when people are engine braking to slow down. I (thankfully) haven't seen this problem with my car.
I don't thiink it's necessarily due to people not shifting properly, since a lot of experienced drivers/racers have had the problem occur as well. Plus, Porsche recognizes it as a inherent problem already. The posts in the thread provide quite a bit more info.
I don't thiink it's necessarily due to people not shifting properly, since a lot of experienced drivers/racers have had the problem occur as well. Plus, Porsche recognizes it as a inherent problem already. The posts in the thread provide quite a bit more info.
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11-19-2006 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 6088TTS
whats wrong with the 6speeds??? never had a problem... but anywho "The GT3 engine is my favorite N/A engine overall, though" thats all we wanted to know
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11-19-2006 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 6088TTS
ya... (F20C) no torque and it doesn't make power until 6800RPM... thats not a good engine... (M5 V10) crazy power, again no torque for the size of engine and also crazy on gas... around 20L/100KM normal driving, and also bad transmission... (Z06 LS7) nice engine and all but its as old as my dad, all i got to say... (F430) great engine! (997 GT3) BEST ENGINE IN THE WORLD!!!
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11-19-2006 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris from Cali
It's more like that's all you wanted to hear... A few of us post up some GREAT engines and then it's a bunch of "no torque, they suck, blah blah". Next time, just post "I love the GT3 engine, so there!" We'll all agree with you.