This man speaks the truth...

 

The vettes in alms are nothing like the street car.


http://www.corvetteracing.com/cars/c6r/engine.shtml

 

haha... +1

 

well, thx for the "hmar" comment!

 

This may be the most telling post of this thread, 05997S. They are producing these high end parts, but it's not coming together well for GM. I considered the Z06 and the 996 GT3.

In the end I couldn't bring myself to buy a 75K car with so many problems displayed by the Z06. I waited for the 2nd year so that the 1st year teething problems could be ironed out, but the 2nd year has brought more problems on top of the 1st year problems. I bought a used 996 GT3 with 2900 miles knowing that it's not as fast as a Z06, but it was built to last and wouldn't spend more time at the dealer than in my garage.

I drive my car very hard on track and have not seen any problems at all from my GT3.

05997S's comment on what would happen if they get the interior right is on the money as that, along with reliability are the two things that are holding the Z06 back from simply being the best car on the planet.

Of course if the interior and reliabilty of the Z06 were to be worked out properly, it probably would no longer be a 75K car, but rather a car costing in the six figures.

 

I seem to hve upset quite a few guys! hehehe... ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF A Z06 INSTEAD OF A GT3, PLEASE GO BUY ONE... YOU PROBABLY CAN'T AFFORD THE GT3 ANYWAY! HAHAHA

 

While I know the GT3 is an exceptionally reliable car, of my two friends who have 997's one just got his back after having the engine and trans replaced for a broken output shaft (I think that was the prob???} Car had 8K miles on it.

I don't deny the Vette has had issues, but there are many who report little or no problems and they build a lot more Vettes than 911's so even if they were equally reliable, you will still hear more Vette stories. Also, Consumer Guides' latest car buying guide would not recommend the 911 do to its problematic history.

 

marwin corvette only made a split window in 63 . and 327 340 hp was the biggest except when fi was added .427s came out in 65, 66 had 427 450 hp very rare... have had a 63 split window 340 hp solid lifter car a 64 fi car and a 66 427 390 hp. the window car was by fare my favorite...... they all handled like school buses... but i still miss em

 

opps it's been a long time 65 was not a 427 but i can't remember what it was 427 came out in 66

 

if you want a car that is fast buy a 997TT, if you want a car that handles like nothing else in the world, buy a 996 or 997 GT3 or GT3RS. period. wait until judgement day when Porsche releases the 997 GT2. that car will def prove to be a purist car faster than ANYTHING out except for the veyron.

 

Well you only need about 1/3 of the ability of a ZO6 to crush a Cayman and you probably don't need all of it ever unless you do DE's with some really good GT3 drivers so I hear ya.

My point is that the Corvette utilizes a lot more technology than the Porsche, is as fast or faster, costs half the money and is not the only manufacturer that has major failures.

The question you should ask is for 75K, what does Porsche make that matches the speed and agility of the ZO6 and is still better built or a better value? That is the primary reason I haven't bought one yet. I have to spend 10K more for a slower car with less warranty. Yeah I really like them but like a couple of guys here, its pretty hard to pass up supercar performance at Cayman/911 prices.

 

And the S7, S7 TT, CGT, Koeingsegg, Enzo, etc.

oh, and the upcoming Corvette SS..

Hell, I am willing to bet that the C6 Z06 will give the 997 GT2 a run for its money. Lets wait and see if the GT2 can trap at 127 like the Z06. Don't be so quick to say it will smoke the C6 Z06. I highly doubt it and think it will be a drivers race, depending on the final numbers which have yet to be released.

 

I bought C5 Roadster back in 01' while I had a Boxster S on order. I had never driven the Vette until I got called the 3rd time from Porsche to say the car would be another 3 months. After driving the Vette I bought it on the spot, it was much faster and as a DD was much more comfortable.

Your high Tech Cayman is a unit body car with Macpherson struts. The composite leaf spring system in the Vette weighs half as much as a coil spring setup and the weight is lower in the car. Are you familiar with unsprung weight? Also, the leaf springs are very durable while coils will wear out. Oh and they cost more.

The engine is hand assembled ala Porsche if they are still doing that, but is a essentially a racing motor with forged crank shaft, titanium rods, alumimum CNC ported heads, dry sump oiling and with 7L of displacement spins to 7000rpms, and oh yeah, with the appropriate gearing will get 26mpg on the freeway. Thats about as good as you get with a mere 295hp and a lighter car in your Cayman S.

I know Nissan and Lexus both build 6 cylinders with 3.5L displacement both of which are 305hp + so either their technology is better than Porsche or Porsche is just average. Just saying since you brought it up. And not that I don't doubt that you will have a fantastic car with the 997 and Evo setup, but I think you will find that it will still not be as fast as the ZO6 nor will it keep up on the track as well as you might think. Now if you put that motor in your Cayman, you might have something!!!

I'm just a little tired of hearing poor build quality and low tech. The ZO6 is an outstanding car and if it had a Porsche badge it would be 190K. I would be happy in either one and have still not decided which way to go but you are misinformed or in denial about the ZO6 and quite frankly, the Cayman arguably being the simplest lowest tech car Porsche makes is probably their best effort and at least a reasonable value.

 

I dont agree with you. Porsche put some of the most technology in their cars, i.e. the 997TT and the new 997GT3. thats one reason why they cost so much more, the engineering is second to none. the cayman s is supposed to be more a car that doesnt have to have/need all the technology because that wasnt its purpose. any articles i have read on the new turbo always put in something about the massive amounts of superior technology they have. the 295 hp engine in the cayman could easily have been pushed to 325-335 hp IF THEY WANTED. but that hp came as a part of their marketing. fitting right in between the boxster and the 911. we all know that the cayman s can outhandle almost everything ever built because of its stande and agility and balance. if you havnt driven one, do so and you see what an amazing car it really is. plus, double check the weight thing, im not sure on how much a cayman s weighs, but im sure its about 3200 lbs. not as light as you think but relatively light. either way phenominal car.
and one more point, to talk about technology, the 997 GT3 pushes 115.2 bhp/ltr. second all time(i think) only to the challange 360 with 118 bh/ltr. talk about technology they are only down 90 hp less than the z06 with just over HALF the displacement, oh yea and it revs to 8400 rpm. im not trying to insult you, but the engine tech in the z06 imo is not that great. thats one thing that makes me dislike american cars. they always have such high displacement for not enough hp output IMO. i mean the CGT pushed 105 hp more with 1.4 liters less displacement, granted the two extra cylinders but i like engines that are tuned and tight, and are well engineered, and thats why I will always stick to the euro cars.

 

The Cayman S motor is performance. 295 hp gets you a car that will run low 13s at a trap of 105-107 mph for those who want to know 1/4 mile, but most importantly it has a flat tq line and rev smoothe. it does have a lot of performance to offer. do you think that a lotus elise has no performance to offer because it only has 198 hp? hell no. that thing moves and handles well also.

Scott, im seeing the EVO SC'd 997(which