997 gt3 vs. tt
#16
12-21-2006 | 09:33 PM
Originally Posted by Brucem
i was commenting on your comments (pretty easy to see that) not the times you posted. THe 'ring has some long straights that help the TT catch the GT3.. in turns the GT3 eats it up.. but like I said.. it's a car for TWO different uses (as someone else stated also). It is the ULTIMATE track car..it's alot more involved that a TT... crap drive a GT2 Compared to TT... that is so different
And for the rest of the comments, there are a few off things, 997TT in a straight of course will walk away from the 997 GT3, there's over a second difference even from 0-100, but this is of course straight line acceleration, tables turn when on a track!
#19
12-21-2006 | 11:12 PM
Originally Posted by zona
These are the times posted by Total 911 magazine-
Porsche times @ Nordschleife:
Carrera GT- 7.32
997 GT3RS- 7.42
997TT-W/ CUP TIRES 7.42
997 GT3- 7.45
997TT- W/O CUP TIRES- 7.45
996GT3RS- 7.49
-Z
Porsche times @ Nordschleife:
Carrera GT- 7.32
997 GT3RS- 7.42
997TT-W/ CUP TIRES 7.42
997 GT3- 7.45
997TT- W/O CUP TIRES- 7.45
996GT3RS- 7.49
-Z
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12-22-2006 | 12:09 AM
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I think people are ignoring the fundamentals of racing here when making points. The GT3 can out handle the TT because
#1 it's lighter
#2 it's built specifcally for the track, lots less luxuries as options for it
#3 and very important is that the rev limiter is almost 2000 rpm higher and less shifts on the road course means faster times, any seasoned track guy would tell you that, why do you think race cars rev to 18,000 + rpm's
The Turbo is faster in a straight line because it has more power/torque and with a chip only will turn faster times than the GT3 on a road course although the wieght of it will make it less durable in terms of endurance on the course.
#1 it's lighter
#2 it's built specifcally for the track, lots less luxuries as options for it
#3 and very important is that the rev limiter is almost 2000 rpm higher and less shifts on the road course means faster times, any seasoned track guy would tell you that, why do you think race cars rev to 18,000 + rpm's
The Turbo is faster in a straight line because it has more power/torque and with a chip only will turn faster times than the GT3 on a road course although the wieght of it will make it less durable in terms of endurance on the course.
#21
12-22-2006 | 12:23 AM
Originally Posted by heavychevy
I think people are ignoring the fundamentals of racing here when making points. The GT3 can out handle the TT because
#1 it's lighter
#2 it's built specifcally for the track, lots less luxuries as options for it
#3 and very important is that the rev limiter is almost 2000 rpm higher and less shifts on the road course means faster times, any seasoned track guy would tell you that, why do you think race cars rev to 18,000 + rpm's
The Turbo is faster in a straight line because it has more power/torque and with a chip only will turn faster times than the GT3 on a road course although the wieght of it will make it less durable in terms of endurance on the course.
#1 it's lighter
#2 it's built specifcally for the track, lots less luxuries as options for it
#3 and very important is that the rev limiter is almost 2000 rpm higher and less shifts on the road course means faster times, any seasoned track guy would tell you that, why do you think race cars rev to 18,000 + rpm's
The Turbo is faster in a straight line because it has more power/torque and with a chip only will turn faster times than the GT3 on a road course although the wieght of it will make it less durable in terms of endurance on the course.
But yea, NA throttle response blasting out of a turn and revving it out is awesome!
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12-22-2006 | 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by iLLM3
Everything you said is true, but #3 can go both ways. GT2 doesnt rev that high, 997TT doesnt either, Viper and old Z06, yet they were all awesome on the track, because they had the Power to make up for the high rev's.
But yea, NA throttle response blasting out of a turn and revving it out is awesome!
But yea, NA throttle response blasting out of a turn and revving it out is awesome!
I know if discussing the 996's the GT2 is faster because it adds an additional 70 or so hp and has the track characteristics of the GT3.
Are there any final numbers on the 997 GT2?
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12-22-2006 | 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by zona
These are the times posted by Total 911 magazine-
Porsche times @ Nordschleife:
Carrera GT- 7.32
997 GT3RS- 7.42
997TT-W/ CUP TIRES 7.42
997 GT3- 7.45
997TT- W/O CUP TIRES- 7.45
996GT3RS- 7.49
-Z
Porsche times @ Nordschleife:
Carrera GT- 7.32
997 GT3RS- 7.42
997TT-W/ CUP TIRES 7.42
997 GT3- 7.45
997TT- W/O CUP TIRES- 7.45
996GT3RS- 7.49
-Z
and again a stock 997TT will not walk more than 5 car length from a 30mph roll all the way to say 150mph... staytuned for summer when we do the comparisons... then i will post excactly how much faster the TT is than the GT3...
Alan
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12-22-2006 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 6088TTS
that 997GT3's time is old!!! the new time is at 7:39... and besides the 997TT in STOCK form(NO R TIRES) is almost 6 seconds slower than the GT3... and i am sure it is at least 20-40km/h faster on the LONG LONG back straight of Nordschleife...
and again a stock 997TT will not walk more than 5 car length from a 30mph roll all the way to say 150mph... staytuned for summer when we do the comparisons... then i will post excactly how much faster the TT is than the GT3...
Alan
and again a stock 997TT will not walk more than 5 car length from a 30mph roll all the way to say 150mph... staytuned for summer when we do the comparisons... then i will post excactly how much faster the TT is than the GT3...
Alan
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12-22-2006 | 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 6088TTS
and i am sure it is at least 20-40km/h faster on the LONG LONG back straight of Nordschleife...
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12-23-2006 | 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by triptoo
So let me get this straight, you went from saying a GT3 was as fast as a Turbo from a roll to saying that it wont pull more than 5 car lenghts from 60 to 130. That is a pretty big difference.
PS... its 30mph to 130mph NOT 60mph DUDE!!!
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12-23-2006 | 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dr_sharp
I generally don't chime in on these kinds of discussions but you're posting false information everywhere. Among other things, the 997TT and the 997GT3 each have top speeds of 193mph. I'm sure the TT would get there quicker, but at Vmax, the TT is not gaining any ground.
Alan
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12-23-2006 | 10:16 AM
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In the hands of most drivers, including reasonably experienced track guys (weekend warriors), the 997 TT will be faster on a road course and in a straight line. Why? Because it will prove far easier to drive fast, and the power and tq deficit cannot be ignored.
Tests of these two cars on a typical 2.5 mile road course showed the TT faster, even with street tires vs. the MPSCs of the GT3. The telemetry data showed the GT3 outgripped it in the corners (high corner speeds, I'm sure due to weight and tire), but the TT was a monster coming out of the corners.
I'll see if I can find the article.
'ring numbers are fun to fantasize about, but don't really reflect what happens in the real world, on a weekend with your buddies at your local track.
All that said, I have NO desire for a TT. I buy sports cars to be entertained. While I do not have my new GT3 yet, I unequivocally believe that it will be far more entertaining than the TT. Lighter, RWD, high revving, better exhaust note, better suspension and track oriented setup, great aero, etc etc. In all, a far more "immediate" or feelsome sportscar.
Tests of these two cars on a typical 2.5 mile road course showed the TT faster, even with street tires vs. the MPSCs of the GT3. The telemetry data showed the GT3 outgripped it in the corners (high corner speeds, I'm sure due to weight and tire), but the TT was a monster coming out of the corners.
I'll see if I can find the article.
'ring numbers are fun to fantasize about, but don't really reflect what happens in the real world, on a weekend with your buddies at your local track.
All that said, I have NO desire for a TT. I buy sports cars to be entertained. While I do not have my new GT3 yet, I unequivocally believe that it will be far more entertaining than the TT. Lighter, RWD, high revving, better exhaust note, better suspension and track oriented setup, great aero, etc etc. In all, a far more "immediate" or feelsome sportscar.
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12-23-2006 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by frayed
In the hands of most drivers, including reasonably experienced track guys (weekend warriors), the 997 TT will be faster on a road course and in a straight line. Why? Because it will prove far easier to drive fast, and the power and tq deficit cannot be ignored.
Tests of these two cars on a typical 2.5 mile road course showed the TT faster, even with street tires vs. the MPSCs of the GT3. The telemetry data showed the GT3 outgripped it in the corners (high corner speeds, I'm sure due to weight and tire), but the TT was a monster coming out of the corners.
I'll see if I can find the article.
'ring numbers are fun to fantasize about, but don't really reflect what happens in the real world, on a weekend with your buddies at your local track.
All that said, I have NO desire for a TT. I buy sports cars to be entertained. While I do not have my new GT3 yet, I unequivocally believe that it will be far more entertaining than the TT. Lighter, RWD, high revving, better exhaust note, better suspension and track oriented setup, great aero, etc etc. In all, a far more "immediate" or feelsome sportscar.
Tests of these two cars on a typical 2.5 mile road course showed the TT faster, even with street tires vs. the MPSCs of the GT3. The telemetry data showed the GT3 outgripped it in the corners (high corner speeds, I'm sure due to weight and tire), but the TT was a monster coming out of the corners.
I'll see if I can find the article.
'ring numbers are fun to fantasize about, but don't really reflect what happens in the real world, on a weekend with your buddies at your local track.
All that said, I have NO desire for a TT. I buy sports cars to be entertained. While I do not have my new GT3 yet, I unequivocally believe that it will be far more entertaining than the TT. Lighter, RWD, high revving, better exhaust note, better suspension and track oriented setup, great aero, etc etc. In all, a far more "immediate" or feelsome sportscar.