Chokeu2,

thanks for the support bud, much appreciated!

 

What a sad state of affairs...

Here's a suggestion: Tell them you'll buy the next one @ MSRP with a stipulation that they get first right of refusal if you want to sell/trade it. That should allay their fears of "flippers". Honestly, I think they'll balk since the real reason is that they want every last nickel out of the deal...

 

No thanks necessary. Glad to give a little back end support to someone who's certainly earned more respect than ya got in this deal, and ya got from somenoe who doesn't know you, yet still calls ya "unsophisticated".

 

This is absolutely the answer, but it wont work. See this all the time in M&A transactions involving franchisor/franchisees, but thats entirely different.

 

Did you had money down with the manager or owners signature? If so you may use it in court.

 

Dealer today told me today that if they were to mark up from MSRP on a new car, Porsche could pull their franchise. This was the response when I asked if the new owner on a just-arrived but not-yet delivered GT3 RS paid above sticker price.
I don't know if this is true or not, but if true, and Porsche NA specifically forbids its dealers from markup over MSRP and the penalty could be loss of franchise, that would be quite a risk for them to take over extra profit on one car.
Perhaps one of the dealer reps on the forum can confirm or deny if this is accurate info?

 

No, given my extensive multi-year relationship with the dealership they didn't require me to put any money down. They're not arguing that I'm #1 on the list, they openly admit I am. They just chose to not honor my spot and are taking the first car themselves to see what kind of price they can get for it on the open market.

But again, do I really want to "force" the dealer to sell me the car? What kind of business relationship is that? My only reasonable recourse is not to buy any more cars from them. Which is more and more the direction I believe I have to go in.

REALLY sad state of affairs.

 

I dont' know but this is the only way I order cars. I heard too many horror stories like yours and learned from other experiences.

What is the point on getting on the list if it's not contracted? I had one incident where the dealer said, "sure will call you first, MSRP and etc.". I demanded to put everything in writing with money down. Guess what, the manager came out and openly admitted that it may worth more than MSRP and he didn't want to commit to anything. Unless your friend is the dealer put everything on paper.

I feel bad for ya and if what you had stated is true, all I can do for you is to not buy from your dealer

 

I understand you don't have a written agreement, but at the time you placed the deposit, did you actually agree that the sale would be at MSRP? Because it doesn't mention that in your original post. If not, was it assumed or implied the sale would be a MSRP?

If so, they I would not give ANYMORE business to this dealer, especially given your purchase history with this dealer. If there was no mention of this during the deposit period and it was simply assumed it would be at MSRP, that IMO is not good enough and the dealer has some wiggle room.

I've had long rants on dealerships in the past and new examples come up everyweek. IF this was my dealership, I wouldn't even take a deposit on a car as rare as a GT2. If you have no intention of selling at MSRP, leave it on your showroom floor and sell to the highest bidder. I'd have more respect for a dealer that did that, instead of one that takes multiple deposits.

As far as those that are able to move up in the wait list, well, we know money talks.

Finally, once again, IF I owned Pacific Porsche, I can't see a reason why not to sell to this customer at MSRP. He purchased $600,000 worth of cars from me, trades one in every year and gets a new one, and will probably do so in the years to come. What kind of profit have they made from the trades and purchases vs. what few thousand over MSRP I can get on 1 GT2.

I think the OP is a very nice guy and not naive in his dealing with Pacific Porsche. He's shown more patience than what I would have. Ultimately, we all vote with our checkbooks and I'm sure there are MANY other Southern California dealerships that would accept his money just like Pacific has in the past.

 

Does the dealership start with an H or a P?

 

hey formula1, I don't mind if someone else wants to pay extra to bump up the list. I have no problems if the dealership has some loyal customers that want's special treatment. but when they tell me to my face that their policy is to sell at list and they go by first come first serve, and cars are ordered by who ever is at the top of the list. how would you like it when you find out a few have some how jumped up the list ahead of you? I guess I'm naive. even if you don't have it in writing it's still a binding agreement to me. either by law or karma.

 

I agree with you. I'm of the "full disclosure" camp. If you say that it's first come, first serve, then I expect you to keep your word. If you say, "Wellllll, there is a long time customer that does A LOT of business with us and etc. etc." I think we can all understand that.

Look, we're all big boys here, we know there are people who know people and this gets done and that gets done. Life sometimes isn't fair. This happens with every marque and I'd imagine the more exclusive the car, the more it happens.

 

if that's the case then say so. don't ****'n bull**** me. don't lecture me on life. **** happens. bull****.

 

The only thing i would have done different is to tell them when they called that as far as I'm concerned, "your name is mud" and that they could go f@ck themselves for now giving me the "honor" of entering their little bidding war. I'm sure there's plenty of dealers in your nexk of the woods and even if there wasn't I wouldn't give them my business. Basically they told you that your previous business meant nothing over making a few extra bucks and they renegged on a verbal contract. To me, this is not someplace I want to do business with no matter what they "promise" to do.

 

what a pointless, utterly worthless thread.....