Guys get real.Unless you buying multiple cars from a dealer every year you are going to get treated like **** if you want something in great demand and expect to get a fair deal on it.Unfortunately I have seen this happen over the last few years and it is starting to turn me off to the hobby.Dealers who I thought would take care of me when I need a favor didn't' give a ****. You have greedy owners who have big personal overheads and will suck as much out of a situation that they can.You want a highy desirable car plan to pay the price!I hate what has been going on with the industry and think its time to look for another hobby.Rich you got screwed just like a lot of people have been recently whether its a Porsche,Ferrari,Lambo,etc.I understand your anger and you are 100% correct.The sales people don't make the policy,the owners do and they let the salespeople look like liars. Don't be angry with Steve,he is only following direction from his A-hole boss.Don't let it eat your guts out.It has and will continue to happen to many of us.Good Luck!!!

 

saw this coming a mile away Rich I feel for you.

 

Dealers employ second rate, uneducated, misspelling, illiterate morons who make good money but couldn't have an original, accurate thought if their life depended on it. What I don't get is why don't you guys seek legal recourse on an issue like this. If a deposit is received with a statement that the car is being sold for MSRP, how is that not binding.

Finally, Steve is a sniveling, dumbass new yorker who probably makes more money than most kids, but is exactly that: a kid. Here's a novel thought, try sticking up for what's right and being honest.

I mother f'in hate liars. They are just as bad as thieves and should be shot.

 

Hey man, I dont know what the FACTS are and I have not read the contract. Even if you have read it, I dont think your post is necessary. Insulting Steve is not the solution to this problem. If the OP has the CONTRACT, I invite him to scan and post it.

 

That's not entirely true... I know a couple guys who work at dealers here in SoCal who have a decent education and treat people very well.

But I have to say this instance is despicable. If you don't want to sell the car @ msrp don't take the deposit and state that on the contract.

Personally if you have a contract stating that, on principle alone I would file suit for what ever they sold the car for over msrp. Stating that their breach of contract is forcing you to buy one at a premium and you are seeking fair market adjustment (what they charged) to compensate for this.

Their tone will change very quickly, and I would be shocked if they don't mysteriously come up with another vehicle.

I swear these guys are so short sighted trying to turn a quick nickel and not looking at the franklins down the road.

+1 to revoke sponsorship for shady practices like this.

 

The problem is that Steve is just a cog in the wheel. The manager would propably fire him for saying what he really thinks. I agree Porsce should get some ***** and force dealers to sell cars at MSRP. But as long as they are making money they couldn't care less, period. Porsche has about as much class as any other 4th rate car maker.

 

Dealerships and those that work for stealerships are all the same. What should suprise you is the day they DON'T try to fu8k you in the *** without KY.

 

Agreed. And, if I have to hear that illogical, innacurate economic argument about some 3rd grader's understanding of supply and demand, I will throw up. Supply and demand? It's a depreciating asset, not a commodity. Anyone who pays more than MSRP is an idiot. Actually, these cars at MSRP are already way over priced, but that's like the kettle calling the tea pot black because I paid more than invoice as well. Why is it in the high end car business you have to deal with this dishonesty. I know people who buy Mercedes at invoice. It's a f'in car, not a cult.

Ok, time for a scotch.

 

"Personally if you have a contract stating that, on principle alone I would file suit for what ever they sold the car for over msrp. Stating that their breach of contract is forcing you to buy one at a premium and you are seeking fair market adjustment (what they charged) to compensate for this."

Vicious
I was very seriously thinking of doing this before you even mentioned it.
Any attorneys out there? Thoughts?
Thanks for all the support guys.
Moderators Still waiting on you.
Rich

 

07-07-2007, 06:09 PM
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hey guy's i don't want to start a whole thing
but please understand that major dealers are purchasing these cars at ABOVE sticker price...

don't think that just because i am asking market price, that i own the car for tens of thousands less.


the price on the incoming car i have will be $210,000

guy,s this car will sell ... please don't bash me for the price of the car, if you arent happy with it, that's ok..
i got my hands on ONE GT3rs , the car WILL sell for $75,000 over list, and i am offering it to a 6speeder...

please don't send me PMs about the car if you are not interested

enjoy your weekends !
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It would appear that you had the machine available on the 7th to the highest bidder. Duty: fulfill your word even if it means getting fired!!!
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2007 WHITE GT3 RS appears to be sold.
thanks for looking guys.

2008 ORANGE GT3 RS still available.
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There's the moment you first own one...
And for the truly afflicted there's a decade or two that passes in between."

Yesterday the machine was still available and yet you decide not to correspond with Rich... From my perspective son that is "Three Strikes" and you are Out... Your word is basically on shaky ground here and you need to do some serious damage control...

 

This is SO true - the dealership I ordered my S4 from, bought my 997S from, bought my A3 from, etc. screwed the pooch when I was shopping for a daily driver. I asked about the $499/mo Cayman lease - blew me off. I asked about the $450/mo w/$0 down - blew me off. Suffice to say, I went to a dealer in another state to get my RS4.

Rich and Steve - I hope you guys find an amicable solution.

 

Rich, get an atty, you are in the right on this one. BTW, the puor gramer is hysterikal, (insert dangling participal).
C

 

Just got a phone call. It appears someone VERY influential at MMC, who has been away, might just clear this up and do the right thing. I really don't think it will happen but will find out tomorrow.
Rich

 

I really don't know if anyone is lying in this situation, but it seems premature to be calling Steve a liar.

If Rich is getting screwed and it is "his" car that is being sold at a premium, then he can pursue his options legally against the dealer. The way to do that is to talk to the sales manager get the facts, take notes and get documentation. Trying to negotiate with a salesman on an internet board is futile; it is the sales manager that has the authority to sell a car at a price less than the advertised price. Haranguing Steve to get him to "out" any shady practices just isn't going to happen if Steve has any sense.

On the other hand, it could all be exactly as Steve says. MMC's one '08 allocation could have gone to another owner and MMC saw an opportunity to move another dealer's allocation at a higher price than that other dealer could get in their region. Manhattan does have more money floating around than many other locales.

Either way, conducting a kangaroo court on an internet forum with unproven innuendo seems premature; but if you can get some facts and show they are screwing you, then rip them a new a-hole and welcome.

 

Rich good luck and let us know the outcome. Hopefully they don't offer you a turbo covertible.lol

Aloha

Byron