The very first (pre-356) Porsche car !!
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The very first (pre-356) Porsche car !! (Photos)
Before the 356 was conceived, the personal car of Ferry and Ferdinand Porsche was a sublime streamliner Porsche Type 64.
It was registered on April 26, 1946. Three type 64s were built
during 1939-1940. Only one (No.2) survived WW II.
Ferry has sold it to his Austrian friend Otto Mathe in 1949, who kept and cherished it until he died in 1995. The third owner is Dr. Thomas Gruber
Source; Excellence magazine. Issue 153. Feb 2007
The famous number plate T2222 is still registered since 64 years ago
Proud Mr. Otto Mathe with his jewel
Type 64 and Otto Mathe in Laguna Seca 1983 (above) and Austria's Ennstal rally (below)
Type 64 after restoration in the garage of Dr. Thomas Gruber
It was registered on April 26, 1946. Three type 64s were built
during 1939-1940. Only one (No.2) survived WW II.
Ferry has sold it to his Austrian friend Otto Mathe in 1949, who kept and cherished it until he died in 1995. The third owner is Dr. Thomas Gruber
Source; Excellence magazine. Issue 153. Feb 2007
The famous number plate T2222 is still registered since 64 years ago
Proud Mr. Otto Mathe with his jewel
Type 64 and Otto Mathe in Laguna Seca 1983 (above) and Austria's Ennstal rally (below)
Type 64 after restoration in the garage of Dr. Thomas Gruber
Last edited by doc911; 07-20-2007 at 08:35 AM.
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I'm forced to disagree. The 985 L Type 64K 10 Kdf Sports Car is far from being the "first" Porsche. Don't forget that Ferdinand P. first electric car goes back to the year 1899. When the type 64 sort out in 1938, it was the 110th car (well, vehicle) that Ferdinand Porsche putted his hands (Lohner» Taunus» Oesterreichische Daimler Motoren Gesellschaft, GmbH» Austro Daimler» Daimler Mercedes» Steyr» Wanderer» Zündapp» Auto Union» Röhr» NSU» Mathis-Ford» Tatra» KDF» VW. However, it's a fact that the type 64 shares some of the adn of the 356. But IMHO, the really important thing that happened with that car for Porsche KG was because type 60 and 61 won the «Berlin-Rome Race» (the 3 cars mentioned - K10, K11, K12, narrow version)
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Originally Posted by zicoramone
I'm forced to disagree. The 985 L Type 64K 10 Kdf Sports Car is far from being the "first" Porsche. Don't forget that Ferdinand P. first electric car goes back to the year 1899. When the type 64 sort out in 1938, it was the 110th car (well, vehicle) that Ferdinand Porsche putted his hands (Lohner» Taunus» Oesterreichische Daimler Motoren Gesellschaft, GmbH» Austro Daimler» Daimler Mercedes» Steyr» Wanderer» Zündapp» Auto Union» Röhr» NSU» Mathis-Ford» Tatra» KDF» VW. However, it's a fact that the type 64 shares some of the adn of the 356. But IMHO, the really important thing that happened with that car for Porsche KG was because type 60 and 61 won the «Berlin-Rome Race» (the 3 cars mentioned - K10, K11, K12, narrow version)
Yes, Dr. Ferdinand Porsche has put his hand or shared his talent to the brand names you've mentioned. But, type 64 - as far as I know and from that article I refered to- was the first car to hold Porsche's name on its body and to be used by Porsche family as a daily use car. For some reasons Porsche company is not interested or doesn't want to add this car to their history!!
Mr. Otto Mathe once took the car to Porsche company either to sell it back or to give it as a present but, the gate guard turned him down saying: Dr. Porsche is not present in his office. Which was not true. Then disappointed Mr. Otto went home and never came back!
I wish if some Porsche historians can dig into that company's history and solve this mystery.
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Originally Posted by doc911
Thanks zicoramone for your comments.
Yes, Dr. Ferdinand Porsche has put his hand or shared his talent to the brand names you've mentioned. But, type 64 - as far as I know and from that article I refered to- was the first car to hold Porsche's name on its body and to be used by Porsche family as a daily use car. For some reasons Porsche company is not interested or doesn't want to add this car to their history!!
Mr. Otto Mathe once took the car to Porsche company either to sell it back or to give it as a present but, the gate guard turned him down saying: Dr. Porsche is not present in his office. Which was not true. Then disappointed Mr. Otto went home and never came back!
I wish if some Porsche historians can dig into that company's history and solve this mystery.
Yes, Dr. Ferdinand Porsche has put his hand or shared his talent to the brand names you've mentioned. But, type 64 - as far as I know and from that article I refered to- was the first car to hold Porsche's name on its body and to be used by Porsche family as a daily use car. For some reasons Porsche company is not interested or doesn't want to add this car to their history!!
Mr. Otto Mathe once took the car to Porsche company either to sell it back or to give it as a present but, the gate guard turned him down saying: Dr. Porsche is not present in his office. Which was not true. Then disappointed Mr. Otto went home and never came back!
I wish if some Porsche historians can dig into that company's history and solve this mystery.
It's not as simple as that, I'm afraid. For Porsche, AG the Porsche Nr. 1 it's 1948 356 Roadster chassis-No. 356-001 engine-No. 356-2-034969 made of aluminum at Gmünd. In the first day of December of 1930 (a date we all should celebrate ) Porsche created for the first time the «Porsche company» at the time with the complicated name of Porsche Konstruktionsburo fur Motoren Fahrzeug Luftfahrzeug und Wasserfahrzeugbau - only for a few months because the company became «Dr.Ing.h.c.F.Porsche KG» in 6.03.1931.
I doubt that the type 64 was the first car to hold Porsche's name on its body as you said - because that was not suppose to happen. Originally Type 64 didn't had the Porsche tag, so Porsche nr.1 will always be the Gmund prototype cars.
The converted sawmill in Gmund, Austria produced less than 50 hand built aluminum cars prior to move to Stuttgart.
The 356 chassis number 356/2-040, was built in 1949, and is consider to be the oldest original condition Porsche in the world by Porsche AG (not the type 64) . This chassis 040 incorporated an aluminum engine rather than magnesium and is the first use of hydraulic brakes in a Porsche.
Chassis 040 was sold in 1953 by Louise Piech (Ferdinand Porsche's daughter) to Otto Mathe. In 1996, after Mathe died, it was sold to Austrian Porsche enthusiast, Franz Rathkolb. And then in 2003 it was purchased by...cough cough...Jerry Seinfeld.
Last edited by zicoramone; 07-21-2007 at 06:52 AM.