997 GT2 or NEW Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4??
#77
04-15-2008, 12:44 PM
Here we go talking about driver skills, does the LP have to start from 1st gear and exactly 40mph with 70 degrees weather and down hill in order to beat this or that car? This seems like what most lambo topics end up. From my personal experience a LP640 will not walk away from a STOCK 997TT Tip from a roll up to 250km/h, after that I don't know because my radar started beeping. Just because the LP is 600 and some "lambo hp" doesn't mean it is faster than a 480 "Porsche hp" 997.
#78
04-15-2008, 02:17 PM
Next to the 500Bhp G, the GT2 has only beaten the G car at the Nordschliefe.
At Hockenheim Short, Vairano, & Sugo, the G is 1 second faster on every track. In a "drag race", though, you are correct that the G would be seeing the 996's taillights.
As for the fellow who said the 997 will run circles around the LP560-4, I find that a very broad statement to make, considering the fact that the LP has never been put around a track by a reliable source. You're fine to assume such things based on what's given, and past tests, but to say it'll run circles seems to be revealing a bit of bias (no offense) when no times show what the LP560-4 is capable of, esp. when it's now running improved R8-suspension, and other tech. than the old G.
I will also state that I do not consider owners' personal "drag races" on public roads or highways as a valid source.
You're free to have your opinions, and free to think what you want about mine, but I feel some under estimate the G & new LP too much.
Anyways, I'll respond later to any replies when I get home from my cousin's school.
#79
04-15-2008, 03:50 PM
This may be my first post, but I've been reading this forum for 8 months as a guest, and you really may be exaggerating the power of the 996 GT2 because track times may say otherwise.
Next to the 500Bhp G, the GT2 has only beaten the G car at the Nordschliefe.
At Hockenheim Short, Vairano, & Sugo, the G is 1 second faster on every track. In a "drag race", though, you are correct that the G would be seeing the 996's taillights.
As for the fellow who said the 997 will run circles around the LP560-4, I find that a very broad statement to make, considering the fact that the LP has never been put around a track by a reliable source. You're fine to assume such things based on what's given, and past tests, but to say it'll run circles seems to be revealing a bit of bias (no offense) when no times show what the LP560-4 is capable of, esp. when it's now running improved R8-suspension, and other tech. than the old G.
I will also state that I do not consider owners' personal "drag races" on public roads or highways as a valid source.
You're free to have your opinions, and free to think what you want about mine, but I feel some under estimate the G & new LP too much.
Anyways, I'll respond later to any replies when I get home from my cousin's school.
Next to the 500Bhp G, the GT2 has only beaten the G car at the Nordschliefe.
At Hockenheim Short, Vairano, & Sugo, the G is 1 second faster on every track. In a "drag race", though, you are correct that the G would be seeing the 996's taillights.
As for the fellow who said the 997 will run circles around the LP560-4, I find that a very broad statement to make, considering the fact that the LP has never been put around a track by a reliable source. You're fine to assume such things based on what's given, and past tests, but to say it'll run circles seems to be revealing a bit of bias (no offense) when no times show what the LP560-4 is capable of, esp. when it's now running improved R8-suspension, and other tech. than the old G.
I will also state that I do not consider owners' personal "drag races" on public roads or highways as a valid source.
You're free to have your opinions, and free to think what you want about mine, but I feel some under estimate the G & new LP too much.
Anyways, I'll respond later to any replies when I get home from my cousin's school.
#80
04-15-2008, 06:29 PM
I realize the 996 GT2 is a tough car to control, but the Gallardo doesn't just set a faster lap because of that or having AWD, even though those do contribute. People have under-estimated the Gallardo so much, that they think it can't touch the Corvette Z06 or F430, even though it actually has exceeded above them on certain tracks.
I also understand how someone can under estimate the LP. However, I don't think it should be put to the point where you can automatically say, "The Porsche will run circles around it." I'm sure the Porsche will do very well as a competitor, but I don't think past tests with the Gallardo & the GT2 are enough to make such a statement, but that's just my thought.
I also understand in a straight line, Lamborghinis aren't exactly super. But, I'm getting the idea many folks on this site figure this out because they do their own little rolls on the street or highway. And, you guys are fine to do that yourself. It's just not my way of seeing that as a valid source for the Gallardo not being fast. No offense to anyone here, though, by that statement.
But I thank you for the warm welcome. A site like this is exactly what I like as an owner's insight on a car is usually more reliable than a bunch of guys talking as if a magazine or online website's report of how a car feels or how long it lasts means all models work that way. Not that there's anything wrong with talking with a bunch of non-exotic owners, and yes, that does sound a bit hypocritical since I do use magazine lap times in a comparison. Anyways, I will stop rambling here before folks get the wrong idea about me as a nut.
I also understand how someone can under estimate the LP. However, I don't think it should be put to the point where you can automatically say, "The Porsche will run circles around it." I'm sure the Porsche will do very well as a competitor, but I don't think past tests with the Gallardo & the GT2 are enough to make such a statement, but that's just my thought.
I also understand in a straight line, Lamborghinis aren't exactly super. But, I'm getting the idea many folks on this site figure this out because they do their own little rolls on the street or highway. And, you guys are fine to do that yourself. It's just not my way of seeing that as a valid source for the Gallardo not being fast. No offense to anyone here, though, by that statement.
But I thank you for the warm welcome. A site like this is exactly what I like as an owner's insight on a car is usually more reliable than a bunch of guys talking as if a magazine or online website's report of how a car feels or how long it lasts means all models work that way. Not that there's anything wrong with talking with a bunch of non-exotic owners, and yes, that does sound a bit hypocritical since I do use magazine lap times in a comparison. Anyways, I will stop rambling here before folks get the wrong idea about me as a nut.
#81
04-15-2008, 07:50 PM
I realize the 996 GT2 is a tough car to control, but the Gallardo doesn't just set a faster lap because of that or having AWD, even though those do contribute. People have under-estimated the Gallardo so much, that they think it can't touch the Corvette Z06 or F430, even though it actually has exceeded above them on certain tracks.
I also understand how someone can under estimate the LP. However, I don't think it should be put to the point where you can automatically say, "The Porsche will run circles around it." I'm sure the Porsche will do very well as a competitor, but I don't think past tests with the Gallardo & the GT2 are enough to make such a statement, but that's just my thought.
I also understand in a straight line, Lamborghinis aren't exactly super. But, I'm getting the idea many folks on this site figure this out because they do their own little rolls on the street or highway. And, you guys are fine to do that yourself. It's just not my way of seeing that as a valid source for the Gallardo not being fast. No offense to anyone here, though, by that statement.
But I thank you for the warm welcome. A site like this is exactly what I like as an owner's insight on a car is usually more reliable than a bunch of guys talking as if a magazine or online website's report of how a car feels or how long it lasts means all models work that way. Not that there's anything wrong with talking with a bunch of non-exotic owners, and yes, that does sound a bit hypocritical since I do use magazine lap times in a comparison. Anyways, I will stop rambling here before folks get the wrong idea about me as a nut.
I also understand how someone can under estimate the LP. However, I don't think it should be put to the point where you can automatically say, "The Porsche will run circles around it." I'm sure the Porsche will do very well as a competitor, but I don't think past tests with the Gallardo & the GT2 are enough to make such a statement, but that's just my thought.
I also understand in a straight line, Lamborghinis aren't exactly super. But, I'm getting the idea many folks on this site figure this out because they do their own little rolls on the street or highway. And, you guys are fine to do that yourself. It's just not my way of seeing that as a valid source for the Gallardo not being fast. No offense to anyone here, though, by that statement.
But I thank you for the warm welcome. A site like this is exactly what I like as an owner's insight on a car is usually more reliable than a bunch of guys talking as if a magazine or online website's report of how a car feels or how long it lasts means all models work that way. Not that there's anything wrong with talking with a bunch of non-exotic owners, and yes, that does sound a bit hypocritical since I do use magazine lap times in a comparison. Anyways, I will stop rambling here before folks get the wrong idea about me as a nut.
#82
04-15-2008, 08:01 PM
+1 there is no arguing the regular G is slow for it's stated HP and weight. 118 trap tops wasnt it? Not trying to bash the G, but I've never been a lambo fan and they've never shown me anything from the people I know that have had them.
#83
04-18-2008, 03:33 AM
BTW - I have several Lambos and a Porsche. The Porsche is a great car, but in SO CAL it is equivalent to driving a Civic. Everyone has a Porsche and in my opinion 5% of the people know the difference between a gt2, C4S, gt3, etc... I was out with my buddy in my G Spyder and his Porsche. His P car didn't get a second look compared to the G. So it depends on how you define experience. Having a special car that puts a smile on everyones face and performances damn well is a great feeling.
Again - I love P cars, but they are just not that special (except for the CGT) in my area. Yes - the GT2 does look like a monster...
G
Last edited by geeman14; 04-19-2008 at 06:36 AM.
#84
11-03-2008, 06:30 AM
Hi,
I would definitely say the Lamborghini 560 !! It looks absolutely fantastic.. and the specs are pretty decent as well.. And yes the GT2 does have better handling, but when it comes to the style of this beast I would say it's hard to beat by far... I will be taking the Gallardo 560 around the track in 2009 with www.trackdays.co.uk .. will be the highlight of my year!
Has anybody here got an Audi R8?
Tim
I would definitely say the Lamborghini 560 !! It looks absolutely fantastic.. and the specs are pretty decent as well.. And yes the GT2 does have better handling, but when it comes to the style of this beast I would say it's hard to beat by far... I will be taking the Gallardo 560 around the track in 2009 with www.trackdays.co.uk .. will be the highlight of my year!
Has anybody here got an Audi R8?
Tim
#86
11-03-2008, 11:53 AM
Have you seen the new Top Gear? LP560 walks the GT2 in a straight line. The LP also keeps up very well with the GT2 on the track.
#88
11-03-2008, 02:14 PM
#89
11-03-2008, 03:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZSDkgTN0Gw
997 tt vs lp 560
i would assume the gt2 would be a close match considering this race. I don't think anyone is leaving anyone in the dust
997 tt vs lp 560
i would assume the gt2 would be a close match considering this race. I don't think anyone is leaving anyone in the dust
