You must have a huge wallet.......Your first post does not answer all the questions. Honestly, there seems to me that their is a back story here..........and nobody is talking about it - u , UGR or Heffner.

So he that throws the first rock....fess up.

 

What was your question again.....because I think you may have answered it?

 

Well, if you're slow, the question had to do with, why then, if Heffner built such a bad car, didn't Ripper sue him and try to get his money back?

And that leads me to another question. Ripper may have not been familiar with the inner workings of the Heffner system at the time of the delivery, but he certainly can spot bad welds and aesthetic inferiority when it comes to the mods Heffner had to do to the chassis in order to complete the car. (routing of the pipes, cutting things, etc.)

If 60K of work doesn't amount to my standards, then I refuse to take delivery of the car upon its completion. Ripper didn't do any of those things, it's just now after months have past, and someone else has a better looking kit out there, that he comes out guns blazing. Comon, there's something wrong here.

 

all i can say is, i have seen the new TT kit its nice and shiney like everyone wants it and on top of that its got a whole new setup, turbos and inner coolers. i dont know if i have electical tape and crazy glue holding my car together, but i know European car took my car out to willow springs at 114 degrees and 145 on the tarmac all day. they rented the track just for my car to do a write up and they finished it at dawn as photos from the mag will show, it never broke down or over heated, let alone having a single problem at all. there was one problem the tires fell apart and i dont mean from wear the tires acually lost large 12" to 14" piece of tread as the tires couldnt even handle the heat and power. they had 3 professional drivers there driving it all day and had nothing to say but it was by far the fastiest car they had ever driven even quicker than there cup cars they race. but that was when it had the power it did. now is a different story as its got larger injectors, newer turbos and inner coolers but we decided to remove them and not have them debut at sema so photos of the system could not be ripped off. it also has the exclusive new wide body kit in CF which lightens up the car which we worked with a few gallardo race teams to enhance other aspects of the car besides a straight line shoot out, like suspension and a few other things. power must come with handling and braking. once again this is not a knock on UGR as i like their kit and would have nothing bad to say for anyone thinking of picking one up. the **** is sweet.

 

Wow, Heff has you guys trained well. What flavor of Kool-Aid is it???

 

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The same could be said of you and your UR kit. Obviously people who have spent upwards of 50K are going to defend the product if there are no issues. I realize there is a lot of principal in what Ripper is doing but...
04 G, you put 60k in the TT and then redo the job. I know 04 is one of the better years for the TT project due to longer gears but seems wasteful not to sell the TTG and begin project car #2 ?

 

In this economy, his TTG would not bring tons more than a stock one, especially factoring in the components used in that build. If his engine turns out to be fine, which it should, then he won't be putting another $60K in it. I'm sure he realized that any extra money the car would have brought for being TT'd if he sold it, is about the same amount he'd save for not needing another engine build. In that case it's a wash and why not save the hassle and continue w/ the car he has.

 

It is obvious what your agenda is.Absolutely NO CLASS!

Since I was the first one to want to twin turbo a Gallardo and have had 2
of Heffners TT G cars with over 30,00o miles on them I have some degree
of credibilty. UGR's cars or reputation I can't honestly speak to .....Heffners
I can.

When I was looking for a Tuner to Twin Turbo the first twin turbo Gallardo

NO ONE except John Hennessey even wanted to try to do it.
Not Todd at EVO (who had previously done my TT 996), Doug Levin,
and many others. Where was UGR then?

He is the guy I'll see when I get MY R8 V-10. He will be twin turboing it.

It is depressing to see the bashers trying to discredit Jason Heffner.
A more honorable talented guy you won't find IMHO.

 

Krazypsi is speaking from experience, so don't discredit him. He has his opinions.

I know you can speak of Heffner's reputation and there are many who can speak of UR. I own 3 UR cars, all twin turboed, all making over 1,100hp to the wheels. Zero reliability issues. So I understand totally your conviction. Being the first to do something is admirable. Heffner was the first to TT a Gallardo and no one can take that away from him. He gets credit for that. Ask yourself this though....who would you credit more for your Lamborghini.....the company who makes Lamborghini's what they are, or the person who first invented the concept of a car over 100 years ago? Lamborghini took something that was already invented and made it what it is today. And we love them for it.

UR has done the same thing. There is NOT ONE THING on these two systems that is the same. They use different EVERYTHING.

I am similar to you in that I asked a tuner for something they had never done. After I was not impressed w/ a Heffner kit, I asked Kevin if he could build me a TT for my Lambo and he said "bring it". He knew a couple people had done them, but that's it. UR designed it from scratch. AFTER doing a couple Lambos and running 9's in the 1/4 mile, they had a Heffner customer ship them his car. They THEN saw for the first time what his Lambo kit looked like. What a difference! NOTHING was similar other than the fact that each car had four wheels and two turbos. And I mean nothing....from the turbos themselves, to the design of the piping, the injectors, the fuel system, the AEM, the intercooler, nothing was even similar.

People have to ask themselves one thing....after seeing the pictures on this first page, would you be happy you spent $60K for that, especially knowing this was about the 6th or 7th build from this tuner on these cars? If a person answers no, then what is the arguement?....if a person answers yes, then that person may not have enough IQ to formulate a coherent post.

Ripper is simply not happy he spent $60K for that. If you happen to be one of those that disagree w/ what he received for that amount of money, so be it.

I do find it curious that Heffner is "re-doing" his systems w/ different injectors, turbos, intercooler, etc now. Any existing Heffner customer should ask why Heffner is now doing that. Who is copying who? How can anyone not like what this competition has brought about? As Ripper said, Heffner will now have to prove the new system w/ 100's of thousands of miles for anyone to want it I'm sure!

And no need to remove those things before displaying at SEMA Eric, nobody has EVER copied a Heffner designed kit.

Kyle

 

Sorry, no agenda here. Just the facts, jack! Too bad I can't say the same about a classless asshat like you.....

So tell us, how much did Heffner pay you to make that post after his "Bat Phone" informed him that a member on the FGT forum was thinking of buying a TT system for their FGT from Hennessey and NOT Heffner?

 

What seems to be getting overlooked here is that by Ripper having the ***** to know he was going to get trashed for making the facts public, he did it anyway. Heffner has been forced to get his act together and start building a better product. He apparently has stopped using viper injectors and is adding shiny pipes and larger turbos, all after you guys were saying that none of that mattered. Everyone owes Ripper a vote of thanks for what he had the courage to do. That includes Heffner.

 

this is a very long thread, but I loved watching the the photos...any photo of the whole car??

 

Can both systems be installed on e-gear cars?

1. For non US residents did you import the TT kit and have it installed locally or ship your n/a engine / Gallardo over to the USA for the TT fitting?
2. Why an indifference to Egear for the TT?
3. Any Gallardo TTs known to reside in Australia?

UR TT seems the clear choice in this debate.

 

not sure, what flavors do they make now a days. but i figure its no different a flavor than being a yankee fan vs a dodger fan. why do you constantly care so much you obviously cant afford either flavors let alone the bottle they come in.


ripper, i agreed with you before in previous posts, competition is good as thats what makes things better. either way as long as your happy and a fellow tt guy. just like prototech, i never knocked there bolt on kit, just praised them with a great idea for and affordable and easy kit if it were to work out. btw did it? anyhow, like i said the game doesnt stop here, there will be others like i said from the beginning, infact i know or at least heard that there are some others in the work. **** they may have a better system on the way. we'll see. either way there are more cars coming out and this wont be the last car that i'll mod so i dont really care what anyone thinks as this isnt my only car. i plan on building a 8 second Civic with NASA built turbos with turbines the size of airplane propellers.