Originally Posted by AverageJoe

That leads to something that Nero hit on...it surprises me just how nasty and personal the lambo modding business is. It's like people have this perception that only 1 company is allowed to TT a freakin gallardo and any company that dares to step into that business is flamed and slandered right off the bat, no matter who there are what they build.

I don't have a dog in the fight either way...just some observations.

Originally Posted by titannero

Since Jamie Carter must have clarity, ther have been no issues with our Turbo Kits. The Stage1 kit uses the factory engine and there were no issues with the kit. The engine did break a rod, fortunately it was not disasterous as some of the other shops. Daniel inbetween bought a 2nd Gallardo as he was already planning on building another one. We had numerious discussions between myself and Daniel, so some delay happened, as Daniel stated by the time a decisionw as made we had the car finished within 2 weeks.

I'm not afraid to tell people we hurt motors, The majority of my testing is done in the public at open test and tune days, not at rented or private track days where everything is secretive. As having managed a professional race team, I know that hurting engines and drivetrain components is part of what we do. I even told Daniel its "no big deal" as it can be repaired or replaced no one got hurt. Which is the same statement i told him with the clutch. Within 1 day of Daniel making a decision on the clutch, we had a new clutch in the car.

So you guys are aware the next thing to break will be drivetrain, in respect to the transmission and ring and pinion.

Originally Posted by OhioGT2

Nero, yes, I and 99% of everyone else, just expect the truth from vendors. But that is unfortunately not always common, even with the 'well respected' shops. I'm not calling you out over semantics here.

Originally Posted by titannero

This is the most unfortunate thing about the Gallardo community, in the Supra community we worked together with other speciality shops and the platform continued to develop into what it is today. The cost of development absorbed by various companies yielded solutions that kept the horsepower and performance trend moving forward. The same has happened in the GTR community where a lot of the same specialty shop's have been involved. The information becomes public and solutions are there to be had.

Unfortunately in the Gallardo community shops will claim that their cars need to go back for simple gearing upgrade, transmission issues, additional ecu or boost functions a couple of weeks after the car is delivered.

Just because you don't read it on the forums, doesn't mean other companies don't have problems.

Originally Posted by 777vegasviper

Isn't what happened between Titan and DVH the same as what you say happened myultiple times with UR it's clients? Parts failed, client chose to keep private, things were fixed? Yet you charaterize Titan as hiding the real story, but not UR?

This isn't a shot at UR, rather a question as to why you choose to see similar situations differently?

Originally Posted by RedGTS

Breaking driveline parts at well over 1k whp and breaking internal engine parts at well under 1k whp aren't very similar IMO. The risk of both is there, but most people would characterize the risk of the former as substantial, and the risk of the latter as relatively small (though greater than OEM, which should be incredibly small). In other words, if I buy a bolt on TT system from a tuner I expect that it is properly engineered and tuned to keep the risk of breaking engine internals pretty small. If the risk was known to be not pretty small, no one would buy one. On the other hand, breaking driveline parts at 1,200 or 1,400 or 1,600 whp is pretty much expected. And fixing driveline issues is usually a lot less expensive than fixing a broken engine.

Originally Posted by Cody

Will this G be out at Tx2k?

Originally Posted by Monaco

I love UGR and what they have done for the Gallardo. I also love Titan in what they have done with the Supra. From my observations, UGR along with their customers play offense pretty hard to the point where they diminish the capability and "worth" of other shops. This has been documented in the forums time and time again with Kevin and his big spending clientele. I don't see any motivation for UGR to engage in this other than greed.

UGR used to get a lot of heat from the Heffner camp back in the day, until they let the product do the talking. Why can't they allow the same for other shops? UGR doesn't need to get into these petty battles. It's unanimous that they currently build THE BEST products for this platform. To be honest, I was kind of turned off that Kevin would engage in such childish behavior. It was even more evident in that video where Nero was bashed. You guys are professionals. Act like it.

Originally Posted by Monaco

I love UGR and what they have done for the Gallardo. I also love Titan in what they have done with the Supra. From my observations, UGR along with their customers play offense pretty hard to the point where they diminish the capability and "worth" of other shops. This has been documented in the forums time and time again with Kevin and his big spending clientele. I don't see any motivation for UGR to engage in this other than greed.

UGR used to get a lot of heat from the Heffner camp back in the day, until they let the product do the talking. Why can't they allow the same for other shops? UGR doesn't need to get into these petty battles. It's unanimous that they currently build THE BEST products for this platform. To be honest, I was kind of turned off that Kevin would engage in such childish behavior. It was even more evident in that video where Nero was bashed. You guys are professionals. Act like it.

Originally Posted by Monaco

I love UGR and what they have done for the Gallardo. I also love Titan in what they have done with the Supra. From my observations, UGR along with their customers play offense pretty hard to the point where they diminish the capability and "worth" of other shops. This has been documented in the forums time and time again with Kevin and his big spending clientele. I don't see any motivation for UGR to engage in this other than greed.

UGR used to get a lot of heat from the Heffner camp back in the day, until they let the product do the talking. Why can't they allow the same for other shops? UGR doesn't need to get into these petty battles. It's unanimous that they currently build THE BEST products for this platform. To be honest, I was kind of turned off that Kevin would engage in such childish behavior. It was even more evident in that video where Nero was bashed. You guys are professionals. Act like it.

Originally Posted by Monaco

To be honest, I was kind of turned off that Kevin would engage in such childish behavior

Originally Posted by 777vegasviper

Isn't what happened between Titan and DVH the same as what you say happened myultiple times with UR it's clients? Parts failed, client chose to keep private, things were fixed? Yet you charaterize Titan as hiding the real story, but not UR?

This isn't a shot at UR, rather a question as to why you choose to see similar situations differently?