Kreis-sieg Art
#1
02-02-2007, 06:22 PM
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Kreis-sieg Art
Recent shoot we took at Eisenhaus of the Kreis-sieg Murcielago F1 exhaust system.
Cheers,
Ryan
Cheers,
Ryan
#4
02-02-2007, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Car_Collector
Looks amazing, have you done any sound clips?
http://www.kreissieg-usa.com/video.p...&desc=Complete system, F-1 Mode Road Testing 1
http://www.kreissieg-usa.com/video.p...&desc=Complete system, F-1 Mode Road Testing 2
#5
02-02-2007, 09:34 PM
There are some misconception about Kreissieg products and as a sponsor of this forum, we thought, we need to answer some of your misleaded opinions and questions in advance, so here they are:
Misconception 1.
pipings are too small - Not True.
: this is the case only for silent mode, not on the Open mode.
The piping channel of silent mode is to reduce the sound , not to increase the sound.
so, in silent mode channel, smaller piping is used, BUT in open mode, optimal
size of pipes are used to maximize the performance and most of time, they are far bigger than
stock pipe size or at least the same pipe size as stock to even out the flow.
Misconception 2.
Loosing power - Not true.
: this is again the case between silent and open mode.
In silent mode, yes, seldom times, it looses little bit of HP compared to stock,
but it is not the focus of design @ our factory. factory focuses to keep the noise level Down in closed mode, and Not focusing on maximizing the power in silent mode.
yes, it would be nice to have gain power on both silent and F-1 open mode, but it was virtually impossible. so factory engineers have focused to gain max power on open mode and keep the silent mode setting as close
as stock numbers.
In Open mode, Every Single Case, tested in Open mode gained significant impressive HP and Torque gain positive numbers. (Lamborghini Diablo, Gallardo & Murcielago, Ferrari F360 & F430 included)
- please refer to our websites to see these numbers if you are interested.
Even other japanese tunner(competition brands have confirmed this fact - significant gained power in F-1 mode)
If there were any negatives about performance in Open mode, we immediately solved the problem and cases like
that were caused by following reasons but has been clearly resolved and satisfied customers in all cases.
1. Euro-US spec difference (since all Kreissieg units were developed with Euro Version), but now Kreissieg R&D team considers the US spec cars (now US cars all tested) when they produce the units, so such problem has been resolved with updated unit versions and we have no complaints about this issue whatsoever at this time.
2. Check engine light - Not true, please read.
If you purchase the Super cats for cars like Gallardo, F430,
: which makes headerback system (in case if our unit replaces primary cat-converter where sensors are located) since the ECU unit reads different values with super cats, seldom times you get: "heat warning - check engine" light. This is the case again with Super cat-option, BUT NOT the case for Cat-back systems. If you want this Cat-repalcements, we recommend ECU tune up to maximize the H power and Torque gains. Sometimes, Stock ECU simply can not handle extraordinary performed units since ECU is not used to it, simply put, if you get the Cat-back system of Kreissieg units
or just rear end units like other brands (which is inferior to our catback systems), :you don't have to worry about the check engine light or emissions period. If you want to see the max power and sound of your car, cat-converter option can be considered, (which will bring the real powergain and amazing sound by the way) and we recommend updating your ECU acordingly, again this is a common issue when you replace or bypass primary cats for most cars and most racing cats - not just kreissieg super cat units.
Note: 996 turbo and GT2 case, there are no CEL problems or power loss problems in F-1 mode reported even with Super cat options, which is included in the basic package. Also, Lamborghini Murcielago and Gallardo units with super these super cats also will not cause these problems.
3. Valves are not reliable - Not True.
Factory has undergone significant improvements over past 2 years on these actuated B.valves, Some problem did exist in previous designs and versions, but factory has undergone 4 times design revisions
and in our opinion, these valves are now almost bullet proof. extreme (CNC) quality valvetronic system, which we highly doubt people can or will be even try to duplicate / copy them sue to high cost and time consuming of machining. It is that much advanced in quality and design system layout.
And for your notes, we have replaced all previous valves which had any sort of problems at free of charge (Under warranty).
Misconception 3. - Yes, True. Kreissieg units are expensive.
compared to other brands, these systems are by far extraordinary in quality, material, labor time to build a unit, deisgn concepts and feature to have two (silent and F-1 open) systems at the same time with switch control,
none in the market can merely compete with Kreissieg in any of these catagories.
Each individual units are hand-built and hand crafted and welded (average 15 hours to create one unit), it is a TRUE masterpiece. Please, check out the system yourself - before starting to listen any rumors or competition negative feedbacks or simply forward what others said.
frankly, we have noticed: we do get negative feedbacks from few customers:
just for one reason (Kreissieg units are expensive), so they express negatives about it, but please check out the system in person or carefully study our units yourself thru photos and videos, then we are confident that educated customers will notice why these systems are expensive and will understand
the price tag of these units.
Hope this has answered most of questions and rumors.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact Kreissieg North American distributor directly.
Thank you very much for your attention on this matter.
With best regards,
Kreissieg Team
www.kreissieg-usa.com
Misconception 1.
pipings are too small - Not True.
: this is the case only for silent mode, not on the Open mode.
The piping channel of silent mode is to reduce the sound , not to increase the sound.
so, in silent mode channel, smaller piping is used, BUT in open mode, optimal
size of pipes are used to maximize the performance and most of time, they are far bigger than
stock pipe size or at least the same pipe size as stock to even out the flow.
Misconception 2.
Loosing power - Not true.
: this is again the case between silent and open mode.
In silent mode, yes, seldom times, it looses little bit of HP compared to stock,
but it is not the focus of design @ our factory. factory focuses to keep the noise level Down in closed mode, and Not focusing on maximizing the power in silent mode.
yes, it would be nice to have gain power on both silent and F-1 open mode, but it was virtually impossible. so factory engineers have focused to gain max power on open mode and keep the silent mode setting as close
as stock numbers.
In Open mode, Every Single Case, tested in Open mode gained significant impressive HP and Torque gain positive numbers. (Lamborghini Diablo, Gallardo & Murcielago, Ferrari F360 & F430 included)
- please refer to our websites to see these numbers if you are interested.
Even other japanese tunner(competition brands have confirmed this fact - significant gained power in F-1 mode)
If there were any negatives about performance in Open mode, we immediately solved the problem and cases like
that were caused by following reasons but has been clearly resolved and satisfied customers in all cases.
1. Euro-US spec difference (since all Kreissieg units were developed with Euro Version), but now Kreissieg R&D team considers the US spec cars (now US cars all tested) when they produce the units, so such problem has been resolved with updated unit versions and we have no complaints about this issue whatsoever at this time.
2. Check engine light - Not true, please read.
If you purchase the Super cats for cars like Gallardo, F430,
: which makes headerback system (in case if our unit replaces primary cat-converter where sensors are located) since the ECU unit reads different values with super cats, seldom times you get: "heat warning - check engine" light. This is the case again with Super cat-option, BUT NOT the case for Cat-back systems. If you want this Cat-repalcements, we recommend ECU tune up to maximize the H power and Torque gains. Sometimes, Stock ECU simply can not handle extraordinary performed units since ECU is not used to it, simply put, if you get the Cat-back system of Kreissieg units
or just rear end units like other brands (which is inferior to our catback systems), :you don't have to worry about the check engine light or emissions period. If you want to see the max power and sound of your car, cat-converter option can be considered, (which will bring the real powergain and amazing sound by the way) and we recommend updating your ECU acordingly, again this is a common issue when you replace or bypass primary cats for most cars and most racing cats - not just kreissieg super cat units.
Note: 996 turbo and GT2 case, there are no CEL problems or power loss problems in F-1 mode reported even with Super cat options, which is included in the basic package. Also, Lamborghini Murcielago and Gallardo units with super these super cats also will not cause these problems.
3. Valves are not reliable - Not True.
Factory has undergone significant improvements over past 2 years on these actuated B.valves, Some problem did exist in previous designs and versions, but factory has undergone 4 times design revisions
and in our opinion, these valves are now almost bullet proof. extreme (CNC) quality valvetronic system, which we highly doubt people can or will be even try to duplicate / copy them sue to high cost and time consuming of machining. It is that much advanced in quality and design system layout.
And for your notes, we have replaced all previous valves which had any sort of problems at free of charge (Under warranty).
Misconception 3. - Yes, True. Kreissieg units are expensive.
compared to other brands, these systems are by far extraordinary in quality, material, labor time to build a unit, deisgn concepts and feature to have two (silent and F-1 open) systems at the same time with switch control,
none in the market can merely compete with Kreissieg in any of these catagories.
Each individual units are hand-built and hand crafted and welded (average 15 hours to create one unit), it is a TRUE masterpiece. Please, check out the system yourself - before starting to listen any rumors or competition negative feedbacks or simply forward what others said.
frankly, we have noticed: we do get negative feedbacks from few customers:
just for one reason (Kreissieg units are expensive), so they express negatives about it, but please check out the system in person or carefully study our units yourself thru photos and videos, then we are confident that educated customers will notice why these systems are expensive and will understand
the price tag of these units.
Hope this has answered most of questions and rumors.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact Kreissieg North American distributor directly.
Thank you very much for your attention on this matter.
With best regards,
Kreissieg Team
www.kreissieg-usa.com
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#10
02-07-2007, 10:01 PM
I think it looks like 2 fart cans from a Honda Civic. Best exhaust I have heard so far is the MS Racing Stage 2 from SP. Amazing sound.
#11
02-07-2007, 10:08 PM
whatever that ms racing unit is, I have seen it and heard it in person, compared to these Kreissieg units, it is a Joke!. Bring some photos on board here instead of rippin on other brands with no particular reason, dare to compare the quality with these Kreissieg units.
#12
02-08-2007, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyclsGT3
whatever that ms racing unit is, I have seen it and heard it in person, compared to these Kreissieg units, it is a Joke!. Bring some photos on board here instead of rippin on other brands with no particular reason, dare to compare the quality with these Kreissieg units.
#13
02-08-2007, 09:45 AM
I had the chance to hear both systems in person. The MS system does not have that F1 type sound that the Kreis-sieg has. Also with the Kreis-sieg you can change the F1 mode to silent with MS exhaust that is not possible.
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#14
02-08-2007, 09:52 AM
I actually got to listen to a F512 with a Kreissieg during my trip to Japan, and i was completely blown away. Every time the owner rev'ed i peed a little in my pants. Amazing F1 sound...
Gorgeous exhaust and pictures, thanks for sharing.
Gorgeous exhaust and pictures, thanks for sharing.
