I can get down with the last two posts

 

germeezy - nobody can purchase this for $400k. Perhaps that's Lexus' point too? I mean... The MSRP is nothing more than a point of reference. Nobody is going to pay that. Since they can only be leased, this changes the actual cost. Without this number (I haven't called my local Lexus dealer for one), the cost of $400k is completely arbitrary.

Since it is only going to be leased, the actual cost of the vehicle will be determined by the market, because Toyota gets them all back in 2 years.

 

I'm curious about how many lease returns will get purchased outright? This will of course change the market landscape and price.

 

It depends on the person..

If you have a few other $400k+ cars? Maybe

If you have no other $400k cars. Definitely not

 

They are actually worth $400k since that is established by he who choses to pay! Mainly this thread was about my disappointment with them not bringing a better car to market. And with what I believe to be truth that the 10 year development period, Acclerator Gate, and Toyota's other issues resulting in this car rather than the Toyota speak that they intended to produce the car this way.

 

I agree with you on that because no one in their right mind could walk past a LP670 or 599 and buy this car. But for those who value rarity they may not have a problem parking this next to their Ferrari or Lamborghini.

 

I completely agree with this statement. The LF-A would make a GREAT 3rd car.

Daily - Porsche, R8, GT-R
Weekend fun - Ferrari, Lamborghini, ZR-1
LF-A - occasional car show for rarity factor

 

I think we've made some considerable concessions from both teams.

The problem is.. as I am reading, the lease deal is a total deal breaker. Depending on whether it is a traditional lease (i.e. mileage requirements) the car simply doesn't make sense at this point. It wont make any sense to own and park next to their other exotic. The car will have to be driven to make any sense unless you intend to buy outright. This will lead to 500 heavily driven (comparatively) cars vs. 500 with under 1k miles. Luckily a Lexus wouldn't suffer the market trends similar to a Ferrari that seemingly reduces a 15k mile+ f355 considerably. A Lexus/ Toyota is barely broken in at 15k.

I could be misunderstanding the 2 year agreement deal.

 

I should have said they would add an LFA to a Lambo, Ferrari, and Mclaren.



My stand was always that when faced with the choice of buying this car for more money against its more established, better performing competition that someone would be crazy to pick this car as their only choice.

 

The GTO being superior for the money is irrelevant in any world in which a used C5 Z06 with mods exists for a fraction of the cost. A $17k S1000RR will get you 1/4 mile trap speeds of 150+ mph. Do you think the GTO will be anywhere near that? The problem with talking about "superior car for the money" is that there will always be a superior car for the money. So why even harp on that issue so much? Do you think Ferrari or Porsche customers really give a crap about objective performance/$ so much?
What is the point of referring to comparable msrp between them if you can't even get them for msrp?? Let's put it this way: How relevant is a discussion about performance/$ on the next Ferrari supercar if the only way you can get one at anywhere near MSRP is to have purchased an Enzo, an FXX, and 599 GTO before even being considered for a slot at MSRP?

People's opinions about a car's looks or its overall worth can change once they actually drive a car. Are Lambo Reventon owners disappointed their $1.4M car performs hardly better than a ZR1 in objective terms? I doubt it.

 

Perhaps
1. They acheived their goal of producing a visceral car that offers impeccable build quality, sonic quality, and driver involvement and precision feel.
2. They have found a way to mass-produce CF so that it can be applied to other models in future generations in a cost-effective manner.
3. The LFA was supposed to be inspired by their involvement in F1, which they no longer support.
Do these possibilities sound so absurd to you?

And yes, not everyone necessarily wants a Ferrari. How hard is it for you to understand and accept that individuals have different tastes and preferences? If everyone thought the way you do, the Z06 would be the #1 seller in its price segment; absolutely no one would buy a Cayman S, BMW 6er, Merc SL, or Jag XK, nevermind the apparently ridiculously overpriced Astons, Lambos, and Ferraris.

 

I wonder what the chances are that somone will do the R&D (like some have done with Ferrari, Lambo, Ford GT etc), and make a turbo or SC for the LFA making this entire discussion moot!

 

He's a Corvette owner.. they just don't understand the traditional notion of consumer choice.

I can't tell you how many boxster spyder reviews that I have read were someone inevitably mentions a Z06.

 

I own a Lexus as well and a BMW, does that skew your theory a little bit?



Again as I repeat for the 50th time........this isn't a discussion about its value or wether it can beat a Z06 around VIR in reverse. Why is that sooooo hard to understand? Am I speaking a different language inadverdently?

Let me repeat for the 51st time, do you guys have your reading glasses on?

 

Guibo you have proven that you don't have anything revolutionary to add to move this discussion on. So can you please let the people who actually have something to add post?

And please I don't insult you guys based on what I think you may or may not drive do not insult me. This is not a Corvette vs LFA argument if GM could charge $400k for a Corvette we would not be having this discussion. We would be debating right now if a Chevy is really worth $400k despite out performing a Veyron!

Apparently I am not the only one with my " opinion " so although I may be clinically insane I am not ready to be admitted to the straight jacket.

Ducky let me ask you a question, if I really thought the way you assume would I own an American, Asian and European car?