I already explained the reasons to you. Too bad you are unable to contemplate and respond.
The single clutch gearbox is there for a reason: It provides the same mechanical response and involvement that you don't get with a DCT setup, and it's evocative of F1 tech (as is the engine). It's also a bit lighter, and may help with packaging issues.
Your question is absurd, because if you already have an Enzo and a Veyron, why would you not be able to have the others? But to answer your question, I would have to drive all 3 and make a truly informed decision based on what appeals to me more. The Lexus could very well be the one. I would say it's a close call with the SV. If I've already got the Enzo, I'd probably want to diversify and get something non-Ferrari. What is so objectionable about that? Are you incapable of accepting that different people have different tastes?

 

Moderators can I please have my thread uncluttered by this drivel which is over and beyond the subject matter of my original post?

LFA 1st Test, Z06 speed for 599 GTB money!
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And it's true for a lot of other cars. So what? Significance? None.
For every fanboy, there's an opposite and equally revolting side. You are that side.
I came to this thread to discuss, debate, and possibly convey that there are people who can appreciate a car even if it's not the fastest, etc. That shouldn't be objectionable. What, did you want to have every single thread on 6-speed be about how fast the ACR is and no one can dare question its bang/buck status? C'mon now.

 

Wow is that more Lexus marketing speak, the single clutch gearbox was perfected by Ferrari but Lexus is more intelligent about building performance cars than they are? How can someone who himself has a hard time listening to facts explain to me who is more knowledgeable than you about cars?

 

I appreciate the LFA for what it is......but that doesn't mean that I will buy one! The LFA is a very expensive marketing exercise / development program that produced a car after 9 years that was no longer at the head of its class as they had planned. There is an Azz for every seat, and Lexus with great marketing has been able to sell them.

But again if you are so intelligent, than please can you tell me how anything you have said changed the simple fact and the truthful statement I started this thread with?

Is the LFA not Z06 performance for 599 GTB money?

 

I would like to extend the olive branch so you don't continue to follow me into any thread against your love affair cars. We can agree to disagree!

 

TopGear magazine on the LFA:
"The V10's appetite for revs is astounding, and though its sequential, paddle-shift auto is miles away from the latest dual-clutch systems when it comes to shift speeds or smoothness, the LFA's 'box has a muscular, mechanical quality that suits the car's basic character."

Car Magazine on Murcielago SV in their PCOTY article:
"It's not the outright speed that counts; instead, it's the way it does it...the paddleshift is slow compared with the double-clutcher from Maranello, but I'll take its mechanical authenticity over the sterile Ferrari anyday."

Is that fanboys hyping marketing? I don't think it is. It sounds like people who have driven them and appreciate the differences.
BTW, the SV went on to the final round of that comparo, but the faster, cheaper Noble M600 did not.

 

I'm not following you into any thread. Quit being paranoid.

I never said you should buy one. I never said anyone in this thread should buy one. I'm not imposing a value system on anyone, merely suggesting that not everyone has the same value system. You, on the other hand, seem to be suggesting that a person would have to be mentally insane to choose the Lexus.
We don't know enough about its objective performance to conclude that. I'm guessing based on the TopGear lap time that given a dry circuit, the LFA would be faster. And could very well pull on the Z06 at speeds past 100.
Then there is the subjective side of performance to consider. Based on what I've seen, the LFA is on a whole different level there.

 

Ive always given the LF-A its due on its technical merits and handling if you read my posts without your Toyota designer spectacles on Its its straightline performance/and looks that isnt incredible comprende? Ill keep sayin this till it sinks into your head.

As for the BS it looks the part, has serious power, is a known quantity as its a Benz and the automotive world/market expects it to be expensive. Also its trap speed is in the 127-128mph territory so yes it will dominate the LF-A in the straights since the LF-A can barely muster a 123mph 1/4 mile trap speed. Hell a bonestock GTS Viper back in the 90's ran 121mph with only 450hp and its a comparative dinosaur. As for handling thats why I put "maybe" as I dont know what the BS handling prowess is like.

The Z06 would also trounce the LF-A as its average traps are faster than the LF-A's best so far 123mph traps so the title of the thread is a bit misleading in one aspect. Give the LF-A 100 more hp and Ill shut right up. For the price and gestation it should be an all around badazz.

So Ill play devils advocate as well. Since performance isnt everything, should technical prowess be everything and count MORE than performance? This is not a winnable argument as its basically opinions on all sides which are neither right or wrong. I think the LF-A is lacking in the performance/price arena and you think it more than exceeds what is necessary in a car of this level. We have to agree to disagree as we arent arguing facts, just opinions, as facts cant be argued with as they are, well facts.

In case you havent figured it out Im done with this lol. There is no way Im gonna do what you and Germeezy did in the last two pages LOL....You can have the last word Guibzzz

 

This car to me is ugly and overpriced. Just my opinion.

 

+1.

Give me all of that AND a DCT, knock about 50% off the price and you'd be hard pressed to keep me out of one. It seems to be a direct competitor of the F430, Audi R8 V10, Gallardo, etc... It should be priced accordingly.

 

I'd rather have a 93-98 supra than the LFA. It looks better and can make the HP. Thats a Fact in my book.

You boys have fun figuring this out cuz I know we are reading it.

 

Well, of course, if all you car about is looks (subjective) and HP - then obviously this wouldn't be the car for you.

If you want superior handling capabilities with current amenities, and have enough money to maintain it - you'd probably alter your position slightly.

 

Probably not. I can't stay away from building and rebuilding my cars. This one just doesn't suit my fancy. I would rather get dirty than have someone else maintain it.

I couldn't see me ever in this car. I have several friends who could get one of these and its a non issue w/ them. The car is meh overall. It doesn't stand out in any category other than price and claimed new technology that isn't helping it.

It seems eveyone on the internet that likes it bases it on the rarity and price. Who gives a crap about price. Most can build a car for 100K or less that could rape anything around except modded vipers and Gallardos. I know I can.

Everyone seems to forget that sometimes is the simple cars that are the most fun and enjoyable. The manufacturers seem to think that the cars need to get more complex for people to want to buy them, and it doesn't always work. There is a fine line of enough and not enough technology.

Also how many of these people buying this are are going to take it to the track? This thing is going to starbucks, fancy restrants and the garage. Its basically saying I have a big shiny car that costs a butt load but doesn't really compete in any category. So its just a trophy, it will look nice on the mantel to some but not to me.


I found this thread very funny and intertaining.

 

^ I agree with almost everything in this post (especially - the Starbucks etc...)...

Except that (in reference to beating modded Vipers and Lamborghinis) you are referring to just a straight line, I assume... If that is true - a stock GT-R, and 911 w/PDK (with room) will already beat it.