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Old 08-14-2013 | 04:11 PM
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First Macans arriving with monster performance

According to Porsche dealer here, the first Macans to arrive in Canada (spring 2014) will be two trims: the S powered by 350 PS 3-litre V6, and the Turbo with 450 PS ! Details to come around the Frankfurt Auto Show in September. Prices to start at $60K and upwards in Canada. There are already a couple of dozen people in line with deposits down. Afterwards, the Macan is to arrive with a smaller engine for 2015. Wife urged me to consider the Turbo, so that's what I did - in line with deposit down - how exciting is that!
 
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According to Porsche dealer here, the first Macans to arrive in Canada (spring 2014) will be two trims: the S powered by 350 PS 3-litre V6, and the Turbo with 450 PS ! Details to come around the Frankfurt Auto Show in September. Prices to start at $60K and upwards in Canada. There are already a couple of dozen people in line with deposits down. Afterwards, the Macan is to arrive with a smaller engine for 2015. Wife urged me to consider the Turbo, so that's what I did - in line with deposit down - how exciting is that!
Interesting. I ordered mine on the wknd from Porsche just north of Toronto in Woodbridge. I did read somewhere that the bigger engines will be out first, followed by the 4 cyl, later in the year. I don't want the turbo, so im hoping they just all get released at once. That would be a shame (for me) if the Turbo was first and by itself. We'll have to see.
 
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This is what AutoBild (a respected German car magazine) says. Mostly they're pretty accurate:


"Porsche will present at the Los Angeles Auto Show 2013 (November 22-December 1) the Macan - derived from the Indonesian word for tiger. For the first time, our photographer managed to shoot a photo of the interior of the mid-size SUV.

Although the Porsche is technically based on the Audi Q5, nothing in the ****pit is from the sister model from Ingolstadt. The sloping center console with numerous switches, the central rev counter and the large touchscreen for navigation, we know from other Porsche models. New, however, are the multi-function steering wheel that can be fitted at extra cost with shift paddles. The Macan will arrive in early 2014 with prices starting at 45,000 euros.

First, in three versions: Macan S with 340hp, Macan Diesel S with 245hp and a Macan Turbo with 400hp. In all cases, a three-liter V6 provides for the drive. To follow later will be a 233hp entry-level model with 2-litre four-cylinder engine and in 2015 a 2-litre diesel with 204hp.

All variants get a seven-speed dual-clutch transmission and all-wheel drive as standard. Air suspension, active suspension and switchable stability programs are extra. Customers can also choose from many extras, such as a hard drive navigation system, a Burmester sound system and ventilated 18-way sport seats."


FWIW: When I convert the starting price to the U.S. prices (about 15% below German prices without taxes) will they start around $42,700
 

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This is what AutoBild (a respected German car magazine) says. Mostly they're pretty accurate:


"Porsche will present at the Los Angeles Auto Show 2013 (November 22-December 1) the Macan - derived from the Indonesian word for tiger. For the first time, our photographer managed to shoot a photo of the interior of the mid-size SUV.

Although the Porsche is technically based on the Audi Q5, nothing in the ****pit is from the sister model from Ingolstadt. The sloping center console with numerous switches, the central rev counter and the large touchscreen for navigation, we know from other Porsche models. New, however, are the multi-function steering wheel that can be fitted at extra cost with shift paddles. The Macan will arrive in early 2014 with prices starting at 45,000 euros.

First, in three versions: Macan S with 340hp, Macan Diesel S with 245hp and a Macan Turbo with 400hp. In all cases, a three-liter V6 provides for the drive. To follow later will be a 233hp entry-level model with 2-litre four-cylinder engine and in 2015 a 2-litre diesel with 204hp.

All variants get a seven-speed dual-clutch transmission and all-wheel drive as standard. Air suspension, active suspension and switchable stability programs are extra. Customers can also choose from many extras, such as a hard drive navigation system, a Burmester sound system and ventilated 18-way sport seats."


FWIW: When I convert the starting price to the U.S. prices (about 15% below German prices without taxes) will they start around $42,700
Thanks! Hopefully they only start with the bigger models in Europe, and the US/Canada get the little guys! (diesel DEF NOT COMING right away)
 
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Thanks! Hopefully they only start with the bigger models in Europe, and the US/Canada get the little guys! (diesel DEF NOT COMING right away)
Agreed, Macan Diesel will NOT be coming here - Cayenne Diesel sales in the USA & Canada have been lacklustre to put it mildly. However, according to my Porsche dealer rep (never been misled by him in the last ten years of dealings), the first models will be the Macan S (350 hp) and the Turbo S (450 hp), coming simultaneously according to orders of customers already in line for spring deliveries. Customers will be able to finalize their specifications and even switch choices among the S or the Turbo once the specs and model details are released, around the September/October timeframe. The inside word is that the Macan will be shown as a pre-production model at Frankfurt next month (the paint shop is now up and running), and the production debut to follow at LA in November, with order assembly beginning December.

On an interesting side note: a local Audi dealer had been bugging me to consider the new SQ5 (352 hp turbo 2-litre) - when I told him about my Macan deposit, he immediately offered that he knew the Macan S coming spring 2014 will be fitted with a 3-ltre normally aspirated 350 hp V6 and is expected to out-perform the Audi and BMW crossover rivals without breaking a sweat!
 
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^ so much misinformation here.. There's no way the Macan S is a naturally aspirated 3L 350hp V6. It's probably the same engine as the the SQ5, which is NOT a turbo 2-litre. It's a supercharged 3L V6, the same engine found in the new S4/S5. Either way, i'm more interested in the non-S version, which will likely be the base Q5's 2.0t (220hp) with a simple chip tune it will deliver more than enough power for such a small SUV.
 
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^ so much misinformation here.. There's no way the Macan S is a naturally aspirated 3L 350hp V6. It's probably the same engine as the the SQ5, which is NOT a turbo 2-litre. It's a supercharged 3L V6, the same engine found in the new S4/S5. Either way, i'm more interested in the non-S version, which will likely be the base Q5's 2.0t (220hp) with a simple chip tune it will deliver more than enough power for such a small SUV.
Look at what I posted. That's the most accurate information that's available right now. Except for the Turbo and Turbo S, all engines are the same as in the Q5, although tuned slightly different. A 3.0 supercharged V6 petrol engine and the 3.0 TDI diesel engine, which is also used in the Cayenne and Panamera. New for Porsche is the 4-cilinder 2.0 Turbo that's used in all VAG brands. It's likely to produce 235hp in its latest configuration.
Only the Turbo and Turbo S get the new Porsche V6 from the facelift Panamera S, where it replaces the V8.
 

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Yo're right, Split - the SQ5 has the 3.0 TFSI 354 hp motor - the Audi dealer had originally told me it used the 2.0 TFSI producing 352 hp. I had him re-check it and he apologized for it. However, by next April production Macan S will be 350 hp with normally aspirated 3.0 V6, and Turbo S at 450 hp, as per my copy of the dealer sales contract.
 
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Well, I guess time will tell. My dealer KNOWS I don't want the turbo for SURE, and I would be leaning towards the smallest engine. He told me for my spot in line, (near the top, but not AT the top) I can expect it in May/June. I would have to spec it out in January as well. I will actually have an email from him by the weekend to give me my EXACT spot in line and a bit more info. Lets see what happens. Just found out my neighbor (who owns 6 other dealerships) opened a Porsche dealer about an hour away from me, last month. He said I would be right at the top if I went to him to order. So lets see what happens and if I make the switch over to move up a few spots in line.
 
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So any confirmation on the S model's engine?

some say its the 3.6L NA V6 found on the panamera, some say its the 3.6 VR6 from the Cayenne V6, and some say its the 3.0 V6 Supercharged from the SQ5 or Chinese Cayenne V6
 
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Untill the car is officially introduced, there are no confirmations. My bet is the differently tuned Audi 3.0 V6 engine, because of the better fuel milage. Also because most (European) magazines I've read talk about only 3.0 L V6 engines and 2.0 L 4-cilinder engines.

On the other hand I can imagine that they choose different engines for the North American market. Audi and VW have done that a lot in the past. So maybe it's the 3.0 NA for the North American market. We'll see in November when it's introduced in L.A.

Untill that time it's only speculations and nothing more. Dealers don't know anything 100% official yet, other than what most magazines know. At least not here in Europe, so I guess definitely not in the U.S. Around a month, month-and-a-half, before introduction, the dealers will be informed about most technical info.
 
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If its the NA V6 then I'm definitely won't be interested in the S model. my bet is on the 3.0 TFSI V6 from audi with a different tune.

But you are right, different markets do have different engine. I was surprised when the Chinese version of the Cayenne V6 came with the 3.0 TFSI instead of the 3.6 thats used worldwide.
 
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Untill the car is officially introduced, there are no confirmations. My bet is the differently tuned Audi 3.0 V6 engine, because of the better fuel milage. Also because most (European) magazines I've read talk about only 3.0 L V6 engines and 2.0 L 4-cilinder engines.

On the other hand I can imagine that they choose different engines for the North American market. Audi and VW have done that a lot in the past. So maybe it's the 3.0 NA for the North American market. We'll see in November when it's introduced in L.A.

Untill that time it's only speculations and nothing more. Dealers don't know anything 100% official yet, other than what most magazines know. At least not here in Europe, so I guess definitely not in the U.S. Around a month, month-and-a-half, before introduction, the dealers will be informed about most technical info.
Correct, there is no concrete info out there for public consumption just yet. And although the dealers do not have a lot of details, they have enough pertinent info, in terms of range of engine and model trims, to be able to write legal sales contracts as they take deposits from people. Even some of the most reputable auto magazines, which are in the business of reporting about cars and not selling cars, at this stage do not state exactly which V6 engine will be used for the S model trim, and indeed none has even mentioned the S version.

Suzy, thanks for all your info that you have posted here - it was after reading it that I first contacted my Porsche dealer about the Macan and subsequently got in line for one! I believe it's going to be Porsche's most successful product yet, and that the Macan's driving in Canadian conditions will be even more versatile than my Carrera 4S, which is a big statement of confidence, and probably sure to get me in trouble with some traditionalist purists!

My dealer rep is quite firm that they are only taking deposits for two trims: the Turbo and the non-turbo versions of the new Porsche 3.0 V6. After all, Porsche did not build the new V6 engine just to produce it in Turbo form, but to develop and sell it in non-turbo applications too! It certainly makes sense from an economic point of view, and Porsche has always shared major components across different platforms in one form or another. On the other hand, they will probably use Audi motors for some other trim levels too in subsequent months as they acquire expansion capacity.

But, as you said, we'll have to wait and see what the official word is from Porsche itself when the Macan is finally revealed for sales across each world market segment.
 
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Correct, there is no concrete info out there for public consumption just yet. And although the dealers do not have a lot of details, they have enough pertinent info, in terms of range of engine and model trims, to be able to write legal sales contracts as they take deposits from people. Even some of the most reputable auto magazines, which are in the business of reporting about cars and not selling cars, at this stage do not state exactly which V6 engine will be used for the S model trim, and indeed none has even mentioned the S version.

Suzy, thanks for all your info that you have posted here - it was after reading it that I first contacted my Porsche dealer about the Macan and subsequently got in line for one! I believe it's going to be Porsche's most successful product yet, and that the Macan's driving in Canadian conditions will be even more versatile than my Carrera 4S, which is a big statement of confidence, and probably sure to get me in trouble with some traditionalist purists!

My dealer rep is quite firm that they are only taking deposits for two trims: the Turbo and the non-turbo versions of the new Porsche 3.0 V6. After all, Porsche did not build the new V6 engine just to produce it in Turbo form, but to develop and sell it in non-turbo applications too! It certainly makes sense from an economic point of view, and Porsche has always shared major components across different platforms in one form or another. On the other hand, they will probably use Audi motors for some other trim levels too in subsequent months as they acquire expansion capacity.

But, as you said, we'll have to wait and see what the official word is from Porsche itself when the Macan is finally revealed for sales across each world market segment.
No thanks! I'm very curious about the car myself, so all information I find, I share. Next year I want a successor for the Q5 that I'm driving now as my business car. For me the Macan is the only alternative for the Audi. Don't like any of the other competitors and I would definitely like to have all three of my cars from one brand.
For me it has to be a diesel and I'm hoping that Porsche will use the BiTurbo 3.0 TDI with 313hp that Audi uses here in Europe for the SQ5. That would for sure be my choice. If not... Then I may go back to Audi and buy the SQ5.

Regarding Porsche's 3.0 V6 petrol engine, you could be right indeed. It would make sense if Porsche uses its own engine without turbo. Didn't think about that begore, to be honest, but it's definitely the engine that makes most sense.
 
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No thanks! I'm very curious about the car myself, so all information I find, I share. Next year I want a successor for the Q5 that I'm driving now as my business car. For me the Macan is the only alternative for the Audi. Don't like any of the other competitors and I would definitely like to have all three of my cars from one brand.
For me it has to be a diesel and I'm hoping that Porsche will use the BiTurbo 3.0 TDI with 313hp that Audi uses here in Europe for the SQ5. That would for sure be my choice. If not... Then I may go back to Audi and buy the SQ5.

Regarding Porsche's 3.0 V6 petrol engine, you could be right indeed. It would make sense if Porsche uses its own engine without turbo. Didn't think about that begore, to be honest, but it's definitely the engine that makes most sense.
My friend who lives in Germany is convinced they will have to offer a high performance diesel engine for the European market, and since there is no competitive demand in North America for diesel in this class of autos, Porsche can concentrate on building them for the Europeans instead! He was in Leipzig two months ago on a business trip and enjoyed the Porsche hospitality very much. I am sure your chances of getting a new Macan next year with a version of the 3.0 TDI are pretty good! The SQ5 is the only real and worthy alternative to the Macan, absolutely.
 


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