My DTM is here...
#121
10-02-2007, 02:58 PM
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Seattle, WA
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Yes, it's a Black Series.
#124
10-02-2007, 08:27 PM
Beautiful car. That is the most beautiful street-touring that car money can buy, and by street touring I mean "Touring car for the street". Definitely the first car on my list to buy if I had the money. Good job, great taste.
#125
10-02-2007, 08:28 PM
I did a little research. It looks like the BS is a modern replacement for the DTM. The DTM uses older technology. The normally-aspirated 6.2-liter and 7-speed transmission with downshift rev-matching is superior. That's not putting down the DTM of course because it is so special and rare. But I'd be surprised if the converted DTM, on US pump gas, is any faster than the BS. I assume it weighs about the same (3,800 lbs or so)?
BTW, if the DTM is less than 3,000 lbs, then I'd say it's something really special. Sort of like a Mercedes Challenge Stradale. I couldn't find the weight.
BTW, if the DTM is less than 3,000 lbs, then I'd say it's something really special. Sort of like a Mercedes Challenge Stradale. I couldn't find the weight.
#126
10-02-2007, 09:29 PM
Gentlemen,
Since most of us will never get the opportunity to drive the DTM "which should be called an "HWA" more than an AMG."
Here are two articles about the cars.
Draw your own conclusions.
It appears that the DTM is a heavy, heavy car. (3854lbs) If Grussel were to work over his Black Series like he has done with his GT3 we may see performance equal-to or out pacing the DTM. The Torque figures speak volumes about how special this engine is.
MERCEDES CLK-DTM AMG
POWERTRAIN: 5.5-liter, 574-hp, 590-lb-ft supercharged V8; rwd, five-speed automatic
CURB WEIGHT: 3854 pounds
0 TO 60 MPH: 3.8 seconds (mfr.)
The Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters (or German Touring Car Masters) racing series is central Europe’s NASCAR, routinely drawing crowds in excess of 100,000. Mercedes-Benz screamed its way to the 2003 DTM championship with a CLK built for racing by the company’s in-house tuner, AMG.
No, we didn’t drive that car, but we did snag some seat time in a limited-production CLK-DTM AMG that draws inspiration from—and claims a lineage to—that same champion race car.
Based on a slightly modified CLK chassis, body parts remain formed in steel except for the stout skirting all around, front and rear bulging fenders, and the rear spoiler, which are created in carbon fiber. The only available colors are silver or black. The CLK’s interior gets gutted and is then draped in fresh carbon fiber, pieces that include high-back race seats and a cross-member behind the headrests. Grippy suede covers a steering wheel from HWA, the motorsports arm of Mercedes AMG that campaigns the DTM team and that will build all 100 CLK-DTM AMGs slated for public consumption over the next 18 months.
Sadly, except for a few gray-market models, none of those 100—all of which are already sold—will come to the United States, which is why, when given the opportunity to be first behind the wheel of this street racer, the invitation didn’t have to be made twice.
The ubiquitous supercharged 5.5-liter V8 from AMG develops 574 hp at 6100 rpm. The real propulsion story, however, comes with the torque figures: 590 lb-ft churn through a multi-plate limited-slip differential to the rear wheels at a mere 3500 rpm, and 500 lb-ft are in action at just 2000 rpm. This thing pulls like a locomotive from a virtual dead stop.
Slicing through the twisty sections of the ultra-modern, ultra-exclusive Paul Ricard test track in southern France involves a judicious use of the throttle and the brakes. The five-speed automatic with AMG SpeedShift paddles is a superior unit; third gear works well in the hairiest hairpins, and shifts come as mere clicks and engage directly without punching out the kidneys.
Handling feels like glue to construction paper. AMG widened the front axle by 2.9 inches, the rear by 4.2 inches and lowered the chassis almost an inch. The car was shod with the optional Dunlop Super Sport Race track-ready treads; it exhibited no body roll during steering-wheel inputs and a 1.35 g lateral acceleration threshold. It makes you feel scarily invincible.
Acceleration to 60 mph from standstill is a mere 3.8 seconds; that it totes a prodigious 3854 pounds at the curb makes it incredibly quick. (By comparison, the CLK-DTM race car weighs just 2293 pounds.) Top speed is limited to 199 mph. Try as we might to find out its true, unlimited terminal velocity, all we got was a polite but firm “No comment.”
Stopping is an experience unto itself. Its vacuum-boosted ceramic front-brake discs scrub off an enormous amount of speed with little pedal effort. Indeed, climb on the brakes and you practically feel your internal organs pressing against your belly wall. Four-point belts are in the mix—as is a bolt-in full roll cage—if your country’s public roads allow.
At the end of the drive session, we toggled off the electronic stability program and enjoyed it all: smoke, brimstone and fire. Instead of using reverse to turn around, why not gun the throttle and turn the steering wheel to full lock? We’re here to say it works.
CLK 63 Black Edition
New York, Apr 04, 2007 - From motor sport to pure culture: The new CLK 63 AMG Black Series based on the Official F1 Safety Car - the high-performance AMG vehicle that has been providing Formula One safety since 2006. The coupe, optimized for the racing circuit, is powered by an AMG 6.3-liter V8 with its performance boosted to 373 kW/507 hp and 630 Newton meters of torque. Top-rank handling is assured by the sophisticated AMG threaded suspension with 19-inch AMG forged wheels, new steering and the generously dimensioned AMG high-performance brake system with its composite disks. Visually, too, the CLK 63 AMG Black Series clearly shows its descent from the Official F1 Safety Car: its striking front apron with large cooling intakes, flared wheel arches, diffusor-type rear apron and carbon-fiber airflow breakaway edge, all demonstrate the car?s sporting and pur sang pedigree.
The new CLK 63 AMG Black Series is technically and visually oriented towards the Official F1 zSafety Car and thus addresses all sports-car enthusiasts who value high competitiveness. An output upgraded by 19 kW/26 hp accelerates the CLK 63 AMG Black Series from zero to 100 km/h in 4.3 seconds - thus 0.3 seconds faster than the standard model with 354 kW/481 hp. The top speed (electronically limited) is 300 km/h.
Mercedes-AMG engineers achieved the increase in power to 373 kW/507 hp by completely redesigning the intake and exhaust systems. The high-revving, naturally-aspirated AMG engine, with its 6208 cc displacement, gets its fresh air via larger-dimensioned intake ducts. The new AMG sports exhaust system with full-length twin pipes stands out with its unmistakable, pleasant AMG V8 sound. Together with a newly calibrated engine control unit, these measures ensure not only efficient load change behavior, but also let this eight-cylinder unit respond to the accelerator with even greater alacrity.
Seven Speeds with More Pronounced Sporting Feel
Power is transmitted through the AMG SPEEDSHIFT 7G-TRONIC. Compared to the standard CLK 63 AMG, the rear-axle ratio of the pur sang special series has been made about six percent shorter - to confer even more agility in acceleration in all speed ranges. For maximum sporting dynamics, the transmission has only the M and S driving programs; the comfort-oriented C is deleted. The driver can switch between the seven gears by using the AMG aluminum shift paddles on the steering wheel, while an indicator in the instrument cluster shows the gear selected at any given time.
In the M manual program, shift times are about 20 percent shorter than in S. Moreover, in the M program the driver benefits from the great tractive power of the V8, since there is no automatic downshifting under full load and kickdown; the transmission always remains in the gear selected. When the engine-speed limit is reached, the AMG SPEEDSHIFT does not shift up automatically in the manual drive program - and in this way supports a dynamic driving style on the race track. A visual upshift icon on the AMG main menu signals the recommended gear change.
Optimized Cooling for Top Stamina
The visual appearance of the CLK 63 AMG Black Series shows its racing inspiration. The redesigned front end is descended 1:1 from the Official F1 Safety Car, and its generously dimensioned cooling-air intakes hint at the sophisticated cooling measures. For greater stamina under extreme operating conditions, a larger main radiator and an optimized power steering cooler, as well as an additional transmission cooler are built into the left front wheel arch. The engine oil cooler is located in the right wheel arch. The cooling measures are complemented by optimized air ducts with lateral openings in real carbon in front of the front wheels. The front fenders are made of high-strength and yet lightweight carbon-fiber composite material. On their flank, a 6.3 AMG badge hints at the exceptional power of the naturally-aspirated V8. Redesigned side skirts extend to the broad rear fenders, which are in turn connected by a newly developed rear apron. The components taken over from the Official F1 Safety Car include not only the carbon diffusor fins and the integrated chromed dual tailpipes of the AMG sports exhaust system, but also a cooler for the heavily stressed rear axle. The separate oil cooler has an active extraction-type fan, which is particularly effective in suppressing temperature peaks. On the trunk lid, a new airflow breakaway edge, also made of carbon, is responsible for reducing lift forces on the rear axle.
Adjustable AMG Sports Suspension for Best Track Performance
Like its counterpart in the Formula One World Championship, the CLK 63 AMG Black Series also has a newly developed and quite special AMG sports suspension. The adjustable threaded suspension guarantees optimum road contact and maximum precision. For competitive driving, the driver can create his personal suspension setup: not only the level, but also the compression and rebound stages of the shock absorbers, front-axle track and camber, and rear-axle track are adjustable.
Both axles have newly developed components like spring links, wheel carriers, thrust arms, camber and torque struts, as well as completely reworked elastokinematics. Compared to the standard CLK 63 AMG, the Black Series has over 75 millimeters more track at the front axle and 66 millimeters more at the rear. Added stiffness under high lateral dynamics is provided by strut braces in the engine compartment and trunk. On the rear axle, a multi-plate locking differential ensures optimum traction, with 30 percent locking effect in the overrun and 10 percent under traction. Acceleration skid control (ASR) and the Electronic Stability Program ESP are calibrated to meet more intense driving demands.
Lightweight Forged Wheels, Sports Tires for a Perfect Grip
The wheel and tire combination used forms a perfect partner for the AMG threaded sports suspension. Pirelli P Zero Corsa sports tires in size 265/30 R 19 (front) and 285/30 R 19 (rear) permit exceptional grip and amazing cornering speeds - with outstanding characteristics in the wet. The tires are mounted on handsome multi-spoke forged wheels. AMG aluminum wheels in size 9.00 x 19 and 9.50 x 19 are produced using advanced lightweight forging technology. The weight reduction results in improved response behavior from the parameter power steering, which is also modified for greater precision and agility.
AMG High-Performance Brake System with Larger Front Composite Disks
Looking through the tracery of the AMG forged wheels, you can catch a glimpse of the ventilated and perforated disk brakes. The front axle has larger 360 x 36 mm brake disks which were tested in racing. Their rear-axle counterparts measure 330 x 26 mm. Perfect deceleration, optimal apportionment of brake power and enormous fade resistance are hallmarks of the AMG high-performance brake system - even when being tested to the maximum on the track.
Interior with the Functional Feel of a Genuine Racing Car
The transfer of technology from motor sport, a Mercedes-AMG tradition fostered over decades, is equally evident in the interior of the CLK 63 AMG Black Series. This dedicated two-seater sports touring car not only dispenses with rear seats, but with its bucket-type seats, rich carbon trim and black headliner, displays the functional atmosphere of a true racing car - and thus documents 40 years of Mercedes-AMG motor sport history. The new AMG bucket-type seats come without side airbags and are covered in barely inflammable nylon velour with embroidered silver AMG logos. Carbon trim on the center console and on the inner door cladding, also with stamped AMG logos, aluminum door handles and anodized black trim strips, brings a feeling of quality to the interior. On the center console, the specially shaped selector lever and the new, matt-finish start/stop switch add further highlights.
Its diameter reduced by 15 millimeters, the new AMG performance sports steering wheel comes fitted with silver aluminum shift paddles. The steering wheel rim, 365 millimeters in diameter, is flattened on its underside to ensure that the driver of the CLK 63 AMG Black Series always has a perfect seating position and vehicle control.
AMG Instrument Cluster with RACETIMER
The carbon-embedded AMG instrument cluster with its 320 km/h scale furnishes an exclusive ambience and high functionality at the same time. The AMG main menu in the cluster is perfectly tailored to serious racing: it shows the current gear engaged, as well as an upshift recommendation in M mode, or alternatively engine oil temperature or battery voltage, as well as the RACETIMER. This last function enables the driver to determine his lap times on a closed course. The RACETIMER stores the time of the fastest lap, average and maximum speeds, and the length of the laps.
Despite its raceworthy handling, the CLK 63 AMG Black Series retains those typical qualities that distinguish a true Mercedes-Benz: everyday practicality, longevity, safety and quality. Following in the path of the SLK 55 AMG Black Series, the new CLK 63 AMG Black Series was developed in the AMG PERFORMANCE STUDIO opened in 2006. The first units of the unlimited AMG special series will be delivered to customers starting in June.
Since most of us will never get the opportunity to drive the DTM "which should be called an "HWA" more than an AMG."
Here are two articles about the cars.
Draw your own conclusions.
It appears that the DTM is a heavy, heavy car. (3854lbs) If Grussel were to work over his Black Series like he has done with his GT3 we may see performance equal-to or out pacing the DTM. The Torque figures speak volumes about how special this engine is.
MERCEDES CLK-DTM AMG
POWERTRAIN: 5.5-liter, 574-hp, 590-lb-ft supercharged V8; rwd, five-speed automatic
CURB WEIGHT: 3854 pounds
0 TO 60 MPH: 3.8 seconds (mfr.)
The Deutsche Tourenwagen Masters (or German Touring Car Masters) racing series is central Europe’s NASCAR, routinely drawing crowds in excess of 100,000. Mercedes-Benz screamed its way to the 2003 DTM championship with a CLK built for racing by the company’s in-house tuner, AMG.
No, we didn’t drive that car, but we did snag some seat time in a limited-production CLK-DTM AMG that draws inspiration from—and claims a lineage to—that same champion race car.
Based on a slightly modified CLK chassis, body parts remain formed in steel except for the stout skirting all around, front and rear bulging fenders, and the rear spoiler, which are created in carbon fiber. The only available colors are silver or black. The CLK’s interior gets gutted and is then draped in fresh carbon fiber, pieces that include high-back race seats and a cross-member behind the headrests. Grippy suede covers a steering wheel from HWA, the motorsports arm of Mercedes AMG that campaigns the DTM team and that will build all 100 CLK-DTM AMGs slated for public consumption over the next 18 months.
Sadly, except for a few gray-market models, none of those 100—all of which are already sold—will come to the United States, which is why, when given the opportunity to be first behind the wheel of this street racer, the invitation didn’t have to be made twice.
The ubiquitous supercharged 5.5-liter V8 from AMG develops 574 hp at 6100 rpm. The real propulsion story, however, comes with the torque figures: 590 lb-ft churn through a multi-plate limited-slip differential to the rear wheels at a mere 3500 rpm, and 500 lb-ft are in action at just 2000 rpm. This thing pulls like a locomotive from a virtual dead stop.
Slicing through the twisty sections of the ultra-modern, ultra-exclusive Paul Ricard test track in southern France involves a judicious use of the throttle and the brakes. The five-speed automatic with AMG SpeedShift paddles is a superior unit; third gear works well in the hairiest hairpins, and shifts come as mere clicks and engage directly without punching out the kidneys.
Handling feels like glue to construction paper. AMG widened the front axle by 2.9 inches, the rear by 4.2 inches and lowered the chassis almost an inch. The car was shod with the optional Dunlop Super Sport Race track-ready treads; it exhibited no body roll during steering-wheel inputs and a 1.35 g lateral acceleration threshold. It makes you feel scarily invincible.
Acceleration to 60 mph from standstill is a mere 3.8 seconds; that it totes a prodigious 3854 pounds at the curb makes it incredibly quick. (By comparison, the CLK-DTM race car weighs just 2293 pounds.) Top speed is limited to 199 mph. Try as we might to find out its true, unlimited terminal velocity, all we got was a polite but firm “No comment.”
Stopping is an experience unto itself. Its vacuum-boosted ceramic front-brake discs scrub off an enormous amount of speed with little pedal effort. Indeed, climb on the brakes and you practically feel your internal organs pressing against your belly wall. Four-point belts are in the mix—as is a bolt-in full roll cage—if your country’s public roads allow.
At the end of the drive session, we toggled off the electronic stability program and enjoyed it all: smoke, brimstone and fire. Instead of using reverse to turn around, why not gun the throttle and turn the steering wheel to full lock? We’re here to say it works.
CLK 63 Black Edition
New York, Apr 04, 2007 - From motor sport to pure culture: The new CLK 63 AMG Black Series based on the Official F1 Safety Car - the high-performance AMG vehicle that has been providing Formula One safety since 2006. The coupe, optimized for the racing circuit, is powered by an AMG 6.3-liter V8 with its performance boosted to 373 kW/507 hp and 630 Newton meters of torque. Top-rank handling is assured by the sophisticated AMG threaded suspension with 19-inch AMG forged wheels, new steering and the generously dimensioned AMG high-performance brake system with its composite disks. Visually, too, the CLK 63 AMG Black Series clearly shows its descent from the Official F1 Safety Car: its striking front apron with large cooling intakes, flared wheel arches, diffusor-type rear apron and carbon-fiber airflow breakaway edge, all demonstrate the car?s sporting and pur sang pedigree.
The new CLK 63 AMG Black Series is technically and visually oriented towards the Official F1 zSafety Car and thus addresses all sports-car enthusiasts who value high competitiveness. An output upgraded by 19 kW/26 hp accelerates the CLK 63 AMG Black Series from zero to 100 km/h in 4.3 seconds - thus 0.3 seconds faster than the standard model with 354 kW/481 hp. The top speed (electronically limited) is 300 km/h.
Mercedes-AMG engineers achieved the increase in power to 373 kW/507 hp by completely redesigning the intake and exhaust systems. The high-revving, naturally-aspirated AMG engine, with its 6208 cc displacement, gets its fresh air via larger-dimensioned intake ducts. The new AMG sports exhaust system with full-length twin pipes stands out with its unmistakable, pleasant AMG V8 sound. Together with a newly calibrated engine control unit, these measures ensure not only efficient load change behavior, but also let this eight-cylinder unit respond to the accelerator with even greater alacrity.
Seven Speeds with More Pronounced Sporting Feel
Power is transmitted through the AMG SPEEDSHIFT 7G-TRONIC. Compared to the standard CLK 63 AMG, the rear-axle ratio of the pur sang special series has been made about six percent shorter - to confer even more agility in acceleration in all speed ranges. For maximum sporting dynamics, the transmission has only the M and S driving programs; the comfort-oriented C is deleted. The driver can switch between the seven gears by using the AMG aluminum shift paddles on the steering wheel, while an indicator in the instrument cluster shows the gear selected at any given time.
In the M manual program, shift times are about 20 percent shorter than in S. Moreover, in the M program the driver benefits from the great tractive power of the V8, since there is no automatic downshifting under full load and kickdown; the transmission always remains in the gear selected. When the engine-speed limit is reached, the AMG SPEEDSHIFT does not shift up automatically in the manual drive program - and in this way supports a dynamic driving style on the race track. A visual upshift icon on the AMG main menu signals the recommended gear change.
Optimized Cooling for Top Stamina
The visual appearance of the CLK 63 AMG Black Series shows its racing inspiration. The redesigned front end is descended 1:1 from the Official F1 Safety Car, and its generously dimensioned cooling-air intakes hint at the sophisticated cooling measures. For greater stamina under extreme operating conditions, a larger main radiator and an optimized power steering cooler, as well as an additional transmission cooler are built into the left front wheel arch. The engine oil cooler is located in the right wheel arch. The cooling measures are complemented by optimized air ducts with lateral openings in real carbon in front of the front wheels. The front fenders are made of high-strength and yet lightweight carbon-fiber composite material. On their flank, a 6.3 AMG badge hints at the exceptional power of the naturally-aspirated V8. Redesigned side skirts extend to the broad rear fenders, which are in turn connected by a newly developed rear apron. The components taken over from the Official F1 Safety Car include not only the carbon diffusor fins and the integrated chromed dual tailpipes of the AMG sports exhaust system, but also a cooler for the heavily stressed rear axle. The separate oil cooler has an active extraction-type fan, which is particularly effective in suppressing temperature peaks. On the trunk lid, a new airflow breakaway edge, also made of carbon, is responsible for reducing lift forces on the rear axle.
Adjustable AMG Sports Suspension for Best Track Performance
Like its counterpart in the Formula One World Championship, the CLK 63 AMG Black Series also has a newly developed and quite special AMG sports suspension. The adjustable threaded suspension guarantees optimum road contact and maximum precision. For competitive driving, the driver can create his personal suspension setup: not only the level, but also the compression and rebound stages of the shock absorbers, front-axle track and camber, and rear-axle track are adjustable.
Both axles have newly developed components like spring links, wheel carriers, thrust arms, camber and torque struts, as well as completely reworked elastokinematics. Compared to the standard CLK 63 AMG, the Black Series has over 75 millimeters more track at the front axle and 66 millimeters more at the rear. Added stiffness under high lateral dynamics is provided by strut braces in the engine compartment and trunk. On the rear axle, a multi-plate locking differential ensures optimum traction, with 30 percent locking effect in the overrun and 10 percent under traction. Acceleration skid control (ASR) and the Electronic Stability Program ESP are calibrated to meet more intense driving demands.
Lightweight Forged Wheels, Sports Tires for a Perfect Grip
The wheel and tire combination used forms a perfect partner for the AMG threaded sports suspension. Pirelli P Zero Corsa sports tires in size 265/30 R 19 (front) and 285/30 R 19 (rear) permit exceptional grip and amazing cornering speeds - with outstanding characteristics in the wet. The tires are mounted on handsome multi-spoke forged wheels. AMG aluminum wheels in size 9.00 x 19 and 9.50 x 19 are produced using advanced lightweight forging technology. The weight reduction results in improved response behavior from the parameter power steering, which is also modified for greater precision and agility.
AMG High-Performance Brake System with Larger Front Composite Disks
Looking through the tracery of the AMG forged wheels, you can catch a glimpse of the ventilated and perforated disk brakes. The front axle has larger 360 x 36 mm brake disks which were tested in racing. Their rear-axle counterparts measure 330 x 26 mm. Perfect deceleration, optimal apportionment of brake power and enormous fade resistance are hallmarks of the AMG high-performance brake system - even when being tested to the maximum on the track.
Interior with the Functional Feel of a Genuine Racing Car
The transfer of technology from motor sport, a Mercedes-AMG tradition fostered over decades, is equally evident in the interior of the CLK 63 AMG Black Series. This dedicated two-seater sports touring car not only dispenses with rear seats, but with its bucket-type seats, rich carbon trim and black headliner, displays the functional atmosphere of a true racing car - and thus documents 40 years of Mercedes-AMG motor sport history. The new AMG bucket-type seats come without side airbags and are covered in barely inflammable nylon velour with embroidered silver AMG logos. Carbon trim on the center console and on the inner door cladding, also with stamped AMG logos, aluminum door handles and anodized black trim strips, brings a feeling of quality to the interior. On the center console, the specially shaped selector lever and the new, matt-finish start/stop switch add further highlights.
Its diameter reduced by 15 millimeters, the new AMG performance sports steering wheel comes fitted with silver aluminum shift paddles. The steering wheel rim, 365 millimeters in diameter, is flattened on its underside to ensure that the driver of the CLK 63 AMG Black Series always has a perfect seating position and vehicle control.
AMG Instrument Cluster with RACETIMER
The carbon-embedded AMG instrument cluster with its 320 km/h scale furnishes an exclusive ambience and high functionality at the same time. The AMG main menu in the cluster is perfectly tailored to serious racing: it shows the current gear engaged, as well as an upshift recommendation in M mode, or alternatively engine oil temperature or battery voltage, as well as the RACETIMER. This last function enables the driver to determine his lap times on a closed course. The RACETIMER stores the time of the fastest lap, average and maximum speeds, and the length of the laps.
Despite its raceworthy handling, the CLK 63 AMG Black Series retains those typical qualities that distinguish a true Mercedes-Benz: everyday practicality, longevity, safety and quality. Following in the path of the SLK 55 AMG Black Series, the new CLK 63 AMG Black Series was developed in the AMG PERFORMANCE STUDIO opened in 2006. The first units of the unlimited AMG special series will be delivered to customers starting in June.
#127
10-02-2007, 09:56 PM
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,104
Rep Power: 72 Why yes, it does. Approximately 2 years older.
Trust me fellas, if i thought it would do anything, I would buy a BS and invite everyone over for back to back test drives. I assure you, the differences would be clear.
Last edited by silversurfer; 10-02-2007 at 09:59 PM.
#128
10-02-2007, 11:09 PM
I've already posted to how much I love this car, I think it's freakin beautiful, so don't take this post the wrong way. But just out of curiosity, do people think it's a kit car? I mean do people come up to you and ask "Why did you do that to a Mercedes"? (insinuating that you threw on a body kit). Obviously you wouldn't care either way, I wouldn't either since anyone who knows something knows it's a DTM, but just curious.
#130
10-03-2007, 12:03 AM
Silver surf.. Totally agree. The black series is nice, and a great example of amg's nice technologies.
But my gosh, your DTM is beautiful. I would love to go on a test drive and compare it to the black series, the experience probably would be unreal.
But my gosh, your DTM is beautiful. I would love to go on a test drive and compare it to the black series, the experience probably would be unreal.
#131
10-03-2007, 01:21 AM
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#132
10-03-2007, 08:08 AM
#134
10-03-2007, 10:54 AM
I love this car, but you claimed it was faster than an Enzo? Is this from individual testing on the street with friends driving or is this from actual test's of the cars with pro drivers? I have not driven either car, nor have I witnessed a head-to-head test but I am very familiar with both vehicles and I thought the Enzo was tested a tad bit quicker on acceleration and lap time then the DTM. Again, I am very familiar with both cars, just wondering about the claim, because I would like to know how the DTM comes out on top of the Enzo in a speed contest. Lap times or acceleration?
Just FYI, DTM is my car of choice. All time favorite.
Just FYI, DTM is my car of choice. All time favorite.
#135
10-03-2007, 11:34 AM
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I've only repeated the claim I've heard from other DTM owners (who also own Enzos). I've got nothing to verify it.