NoVa sports car club busted for Reckless Driving
#32
Long before go pro we used video cams in race cars during races and qualifying mostly to review the footage to learn what we could do better, I've done the same sort of thing with students in their cars during HPDE days but now it's with Go Pro...you don't have to give your footage to anyone willfully, that footage belongs to you. On track or on the street, regrdless. It's only when sobpoened will you have to submit that as evidence. Should you have an incident on a race track under non-timed or non-competition circumstances the chances of this happening are almost 0%.... and even then you don't have to tell anyone you recorded footage, and how will they know whom else to pull on the record that may have had you on footage, it's next to impossible.
Bring your cameras and GO Pros to the track people they are a great learning devices, you're not going to get in trouble with them. After 11 years of doing it and taking footage, trust me you will be fine.
Bring your cameras and GO Pros to the track people they are a great learning devices, you're not going to get in trouble with them. After 11 years of doing it and taking footage, trust me you will be fine.
#33
^^ I would have to disagree on the on-the-street part anyway.... not so sure about say an insurance co.'s investigation for a car wrecked on private track.
On public roads, anything in plain-view that could be relevant and material to an ongoing criminal investigation - which an onboard video cam certainly could and would be to any speeding / reckless / careless type offense - is subject to siezure and use as evidence.
Obviously laws do vary by jurisdiction, and I've never been a cop or a prosecutor but I did sit thru 3 painful years of law school including criminal procedure and evidence classes and I'd bet money if you get popped doing something stupid and there is an onboard camera in plain-view they can legally take it and do whatever they want with it.
On public roads, anything in plain-view that could be relevant and material to an ongoing criminal investigation - which an onboard video cam certainly could and would be to any speeding / reckless / careless type offense - is subject to siezure and use as evidence.
Obviously laws do vary by jurisdiction, and I've never been a cop or a prosecutor but I did sit thru 3 painful years of law school including criminal procedure and evidence classes and I'd bet money if you get popped doing something stupid and there is an onboard camera in plain-view they can legally take it and do whatever they want with it.
#35
IMO if you have a group of people doing "spirited" driving = anything beyond grandma parade-lap speeds in high profile “look at me” type of cars, I don't care what state you're in, what kind of roads you're on, there is an appreciable chance anyone involved is going down.
Of course the statutory limits of the ramifications can vary by st. or county or jurisdiction of cop or what kind of job / security clearance you have etc. but whether you get busted or chops totally busted or whatever you want to call it has a huge and pretty much totally unpredictable human element = how big a ball buster does whatever cop want to be.... no matter what st. what jurisdiction trust me they can all do it if they are so inspired if they see "spirited" driving.
To me the biggest take away (something I never personally was inclined to do in the first place off-track) is driving around with a Go-Pro. That is like handing a prosecutor a “please f-ck me” pass.
IMO all that MischiefTV type YouTube drive like an idiot in a big group and post it on the internet for attention crap, IMO they got what they were fishing for here. And could have been a lot worse with the wrong set of circumstances / bad-luck. Someone gets killed or maimed, whether really a direct result or not, the right prosecutor putting on the right case in front of the right (or wrong) jury and you’re talking about people potentially going to jail for a looong time and lives being totally ruined.
For me….. you guys can have it….. I’ll stick to hanging out at Katie’s talking cars and tearing up my poor cars at the track. All this internet drive-like-an-idiot fanfare, let it die the painful death it is IMO.
Of course the statutory limits of the ramifications can vary by st. or county or jurisdiction of cop or what kind of job / security clearance you have etc. but whether you get busted or chops totally busted or whatever you want to call it has a huge and pretty much totally unpredictable human element = how big a ball buster does whatever cop want to be.... no matter what st. what jurisdiction trust me they can all do it if they are so inspired if they see "spirited" driving.
To me the biggest take away (something I never personally was inclined to do in the first place off-track) is driving around with a Go-Pro. That is like handing a prosecutor a “please f-ck me” pass.
IMO all that MischiefTV type YouTube drive like an idiot in a big group and post it on the internet for attention crap, IMO they got what they were fishing for here. And could have been a lot worse with the wrong set of circumstances / bad-luck. Someone gets killed or maimed, whether really a direct result or not, the right prosecutor putting on the right case in front of the right (or wrong) jury and you’re talking about people potentially going to jail for a looong time and lives being totally ruined.
For me….. you guys can have it….. I’ll stick to hanging out at Katie’s talking cars and tearing up my poor cars at the track. All this internet drive-like-an-idiot fanfare, let it die the painful death it is IMO.
#36
^^^^ YEah. Thats half the reason I never bought one. I think it a cool idea but your giving someone who is going to screw you all the evidence to do so. Someone had once posted that you cant legally self incriminate yourself or something about illegal seizure of the car and the camera inside cant be used as evidence but only the car and here say ....
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Jeesh... I feel like as if you people are scared to take a picture with your phones. Do you have any idea what information is being tracked on that? And by whom? GoPro is a LOT safer (easier to protect) than your cell phones.
What I've always wondered about shows like Dumbest Drivers, etc... why would anybody film themselves and then post that crap? Attention (and stupidity). Well, they deserve it.
#37
I love southpark's parody on it in the Episide...'It's a Jersey Thing' ... snookie snookie snookie wanna smushi smushi smushi... bwahahaha!!!!
#38
WHAT...Snooky's pregnant! I haven't watched the show since an ex used to watch it in early 2011 ...whose the father Pulie D, Vinnie, Sitch or the other gorilla? haha that show is a friggin trainwreck!
I love southpark's parody on it in the Episide...'It's a Jersey Thing' ... snookie snookie snookie wanna smushi smushi smushi... bwahahaha!!!!
I love southpark's parody on it in the Episide...'It's a Jersey Thing' ... snookie snookie snookie wanna smushi smushi smushi... bwahahaha!!!!
It's okay to admit you're a Jersey Shore fan, sunir...
#41
Jasper... No one is forcing anyone to post video to the net, and if I caught something incriminating to myself or a buddy, I certainly wouldn't post it! I like the idea that a video could absolve me or a friend of fault as well... The danger arises when and if law enforcement got ahold of video through seizure as seems to have happened here.
Is there a way to make the memory card inaccessible without a password/key?
Is there a way to make the memory card inaccessible without a password/key?
#42
I've lived in Maryland and worked in Virginia for 7 years now. I do the vast majority of my driving in MD. 6 moving violations and 2 written warnings in VA. ZERO in Maryland. Coincidence? Maybe. But I've learned to behave myself in VA.
#43
The life of a pornstar is tedious...
Delete.
Better than Polaroid.
Look, if you do something bad - delete. Format. Or break it (just a $10-20 SD card). If you do something good - butt saved.
I'm sorry, but to me the benefits FAR out weigh the disadvantages.
*edit: If it is a concern - if you're doing something wrong, just stop recording. Again, I don't see the issue.
Let's say - I'm recording, recording, recording... See a Z06 that thinks he's bad a$$, I stop recording, because I'm about to do something stupid. Wave 'bye' to the Z06, resume recording. My camera gets mounted where I can manipulate the button from the driver's seat (right around the visor of the passenger). I know in some GT-R's there are cameras mounted and recording actively on both the front and rear of the car, and you can watch them (through a bypass) in the multi-function display. Pretty cool. As long as you have control over what to record you're fine. What I CAN'T control - and we've witnessed this on the Corvette Thanksgiving race last year - is we don't know who else is recording (passenger in Z06, or person behind them). THAT is my concern - not my own camera.
However, we also probably remember the people that recorded the Lamborghini trying to take off at a corner, and hitting oncoming traffic. The person recording the incident (passenger in another car) posted on the internet, and got the driver in trouble, because of the illegal U-turn the driver made to get a 'better' angle.
Obviously - if we are organizing a street race, and somebody wants to record - I'd make sure we all understand what to do in certain situations to reduce the chances of self-incrimination. We can't stop what others are recording on their iPhones when a McLaren zooms by.
Jasper... No one is forcing anyone to post video to the net, and if I caught something incriminating to myself or a buddy, I certainly wouldn't post it! I like the idea that a video could absolve me or a friend of fault as well... The danger arises when and if law enforcement got ahold of video through seizure as seems to have happened here.
Is there a way to make the memory card inaccessible without a password/key?
Is there a way to make the memory card inaccessible without a password/key?
Better than Polaroid.
Look, if you do something bad - delete. Format. Or break it (just a $10-20 SD card). If you do something good - butt saved.
I'm sorry, but to me the benefits FAR out weigh the disadvantages.
*edit: If it is a concern - if you're doing something wrong, just stop recording. Again, I don't see the issue.
Let's say - I'm recording, recording, recording... See a Z06 that thinks he's bad a$$, I stop recording, because I'm about to do something stupid. Wave 'bye' to the Z06, resume recording. My camera gets mounted where I can manipulate the button from the driver's seat (right around the visor of the passenger). I know in some GT-R's there are cameras mounted and recording actively on both the front and rear of the car, and you can watch them (through a bypass) in the multi-function display. Pretty cool. As long as you have control over what to record you're fine. What I CAN'T control - and we've witnessed this on the Corvette Thanksgiving race last year - is we don't know who else is recording (passenger in Z06, or person behind them). THAT is my concern - not my own camera.
However, we also probably remember the people that recorded the Lamborghini trying to take off at a corner, and hitting oncoming traffic. The person recording the incident (passenger in another car) posted on the internet, and got the driver in trouble, because of the illegal U-turn the driver made to get a 'better' angle.
Obviously - if we are organizing a street race, and somebody wants to record - I'd make sure we all understand what to do in certain situations to reduce the chances of self-incrimination. We can't stop what others are recording on their iPhones when a McLaren zooms by.
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