I like how just because I have a nice car mommy and daddy bought it for me... Exactly the response I'd expect from you or for that matter any guy in a camaro.

Your clearly starting **** in every GTR thread on the board, and all I'm trying to say is, your clearly not qualified to call the GTR ugly.

Your also not going to win any friends by challenging the entire forum to race your ugly camaro. Your digging yourself deeper and deeper into troll territory.

 

When did I say it was a "nice" car? My Camaro may be ugly to you, but it's nicer then your slow sedan if you ask me. Not to mention LSx engines are the best bang for the buck. And as for tring to make friends, this is the internet, it's full of liers.......and GTR fanboys. So I could care less. Have a nice day!

 

The ring times are indeed BS. GT-R has not achieved similar amazing times on racing circuits in America. It has not been faster than cars like 996 GT3 or Z06 corvette, so it is impossible for it to achieve a 7:29 ring time in stock trim. If its a truly 7:29 car, it would have no problem beating its competition, yet it always finishes behind them:

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...d.php?t=128782

These Real world results prove that GT-R used for Nurburgring testing was a highly tuned racing version and not the same cars that consumers are getting. Even without this real world data, if GT-R fanboys had any common sense at all, they would know that a 500hp, 3,800lb car is not capable to be as fast a 600hp, 3,000lb car. Apparently, GT-R fanboys seem to think that their cars defies the laws of physics

 

But they swear it was stock!

 

LOL. Fine tooth and comb? Try a minute of basic English.

And why is everyone a kid to you? The only one being immature here is you. You have been insulting everyone left and right.

 

Everyone, no. Just the idiots like yourself.

 

It's not just American courses. On Rockingham, it can only barely come above a 997 Turbo and a R8. And when tested by Best Motoring, it was beat by a Superleggera on Tsukuba, and on various other courses, it can only beat a Superleggera by 1 second.


It makes me wonder if the GT-R really is this supercar killer, when the cars it was beating on the 'Ring are just blowing it away on nearly every other course. I'm not saying it isn't fast, but it just seems obvious that Nissan fanboys (not saying everyone here is) need to chill, and realize that Porsche doesn't feel threatened by this just because their GT2 was beat by this on one course. They know the GT2 may slaughter the GT-R on any other track, and they'll probably take that for what it is.

Props to Nissan for their creation, but it definitely isn't a supercar killer yet.

 

I think the point people are missing is that the GT-R isn't marketed as a supercar killer, it's target was a 911 turbo which isn't a supercar IMHO. Instead it's a high performance vehicle at a budget price, the fact that it does out performs some supercars is a by-product of good development and product of media comparisons.

Will it replace the desirability of a Ferrari, Lamborghini or xyz supercar? Certainly not, they all have their heritage and desirability that Nissan can't touch. What it does do is provide a supercar-like performance at a bargain price, and it does it well. To disregard or make up excuses for that is just plain silly, if you're an automotive enthusiast you learn to appreciate strides made under any brand and the fact that the GT-R has caused such a tizzy on various boards is a good thing. Competition among the manufacturers only results in good things for the consumers.

 

WELL SAID.

 

You sound just as automotively uneducated as the "fanboys" you speak so badly of, yet you think you're informed enough to throw your 2 cents in on a subject you seem to know so little about. I'll make this short. Regarding the Tire Rack 1 Lap results. First of all, how can you justify comparing a modified GT3 (Motons, Seats, Exhaust, track alignment) to a stock GT-R in terms of lap times, when the drivers are of different skill levels, and have different levels of experience with a given track and vehicle? Secondly, do you realize how different the Nurburgring is from most standard circuits across the world? And how it favors certain vehicle dynamics over others? Your ideology is that the power to weight ratio is the determining factor in what a car is capable of running at on a given circuit. Disregarding attributes like, aerodynamics, tires, transmission, braking, to name a few things. Might I add that a 10-15 second difference between the GT-R and some its competitors at the Ring, isnt as much as you would think, since the Ring is nearly 13 miles in length. Do the math. Also, when Nissan achieved the 7:29, the weather conditions were superior in comparison to most of the oppositions track testing conditions, with a freshly re-paved racing surface might I add. All of this doesn't make Nissan cheaters as you seem to enjoy spouting. PLEASE SHOW ME EVIDENCE THAT NISSAN ACTUALLY CHEATED IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THEIR TIME AT THE RING, OTHERWISE SHUT UP WITH YOUR ANTI GTR TROLLING. I'm tired of hearing the same delusioned reasoning from people. All you're relying on is your own doubht to back your opinion up.

 

The bottom line is that if GT-R was truly a 7:29 car on the Ring, it would be able to produce similarly fast times on other circuits. If you look at its times on famous American tracks (which have extensive records of other car's lap times), it can't even beat Z06 or GT3. A 7:29 ring car would absolutely wipe the floor with tuned 996 GT3, regardless of how many mods it has. No amount of tuning is going to make a 996 GT3 as fast as Carrera GT (which runs the ring at 7:29, same as "stock" GTR)! I am not disregarding other attributes like aerodynamics, suspension, brakes, etc. But the stock GTR does not even come close to CGT's handling, braking, aerodynamics, or power. It also has 100hp less and weighs 800lbs more. It is physically impossible for it to lap the ring as fast as CGT, a car that is superior in every aspect. We know that CGT has more power and weighs less, so you're going to try to argue that GTR handles and brakes better than CGT?

Now look at the 996 GT3. A 996 GT3RS laps the ring at 7:48, losing to the "stock" GTR by 20 seconds! Yet a regular 996 GT3 (not RS) with minor mods is able to outperform a GTR on every track. The mods that GT3 has will not make it much faster than the RS, if it all. So how is that possible?

And finally, how can I be anti-GTR trolling on a Porsche forum . I did not come to a GTR forum and start questioning their cars. You are the ones who came to Porsche forums and start your BS! The question is, what are GTR trolls doing on the Porsche forums?

 

Well said man, but these GTR trolls are a genetic mutation of a troll. Even more stupid.

 

They really are man. I honestly can't believe that some of these trolls go as far as suggesting their Nissan GTR is as fast or faster than Carrera GT. CGT is totally on a different level than 996 GT3, a car that they can't even beat on track. I honestly have no words to describe their stupidity...

 

Do you truly understand the entire dynamics demands of the Nurburgring? You think that a cars Ring time DIRECTLY carries over to its roadcourse racing abilities and performance, in comparison? I hope not. The Ring requires a car to have superb high speed cornering stability, through the use of aerodynamic tuning and a large, stiff chassis with excellent suspension dampening/stiffness and travel. The Torque biasing AWD system in the GT-R is also a key attributer to its stability and pull in high speed corners. Look up the GT-R's considerably superior aerodynamic drag, lift and downforce statistics as well, in comparison to the Z06 and GT3/TT. The GT-R also carries a large tire footprint (wheelbase and track dimensions) and stiff chassis, making it extremely capable of dealing with highspeed bumps, corners and transitions. Ask any professional driver or reviewer that has driven the GT-R. They will illude to something of that description. The driver of the GT-R in the 1 Lap of America Shootout even mentioned how the GT-R was REALLY well suited to high speed tracks/corners. As can be noted here: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ature/(page)/1 It's awd system also gives it a good advantage on tracks with off camber corners and elevations changes, like at Buttonwillow. The Carrera GT and TT/GT3 are not the fastest, or easist to deal with in such conditions. The TT/GT3's short wheelbase and pendulum affect from the rear engine create a car not most capable. That's just according to basic physics, and one of the very few architectural design flaws of the 911 on paper. The Carrera GT's are known as being extremely hard to extract 100% potential out of, especially around a track as technical as the Ring. Ask around. The snap oversteer is something typical in a car with an extremely low center of gravity and rear engine, and lack of any good amount of rear downforce, like in the CGT case. IMO, the CGT's really need slicks and more downforce to be extremely fast on circuits, or work as they were truly designed, as race cars with massive amounts of cornering speed. Ferrari had such an idea with their Enzo, with the additions of the FXX Evo variant with 800+hp, slicks, and lots of downforce. I would also vouch for the GT-R braking better than the CGT on a bumpy track, such as the ring. The GT3's are known as being superfast on roadcourses around the world, especially in the right hands. Smooth slower speed (typical roadcourse corners) cornering is what the GT3 is good at, not taking bumps or crest at 130+mph. The GTR is the exact opposite. Something I think you fail to take into account or admit. You say that no amount of tuning can make a 996 GT3 keep up with a CGT? Go ask that around here and you'll get laughed at. Also, you must take into account weather/surface conditions and traffic around the 13 mile course. Most of Walter Rohrl's Porsche Ring testing is done with some amount of traffic to overtake. Also, the original 7:38 time from Nissan was achieved with a certain amount of dampness in portions of the track, and is something that is witnessed nearly year round at the Ring. Again, ask around. Its even been documented that the chief engineer claimed that with a dry surface, they could dip possibly dip below a 7:30, something they later did when they achieved 7:29. Also, show me a TT or Z06 capable of lapping ButtonWillow configuration 13 in 1:56, as in Road & Track's testing. That's an extremely fast lap for a bone stock vehicle, as I have a good amount of experience and knowledge of the place. And if Nissan and R&T were somehow cheating to achieve this time, show me proof that they did so, and what exactly they did. You really need to have realworld track experience, and a full understanding of circuit racing and vehicle dynamics to argue why you think this time is BS, otherwise your argument lacks credibilty in my eyes.

 

Well 7:29 is a very fast time at the Ring. I know it as I'm a racing instructor teaching people with fast cars how to drive there fast and safe. Usually we record the laps driven by our participants by a lap recording system. A recorded 8:07 min. lap at the Nordschleife BTG time with the measured speeds in km/h looks like this:



2 compared laps look like this:



And a map of the track with start- and finish line: