Here the link to the Press Release from Nissan:

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/01/g...-down-to-7-29/

Here's a little quote:

Ryan

 

 

what the fuq...

 

They forget to mention the rolling start and R compound tires....

 

Everyone I've seen uses a rolling start.

I don't know about the tires. They say it uses stock tires.

 

It had a full throttle flying start, that is not the norm. Porsche does not use that.

 

Source? Link? What is the convention for rolling starts then?

Zonda:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=APbrjvadVA0

GTR:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg

If you look at the start position, it doesn't matter if the car is at full-throttle when they start because they will have to slow down for the first corner which is just after the start. They probably designed the n'ring timing convention this way so everyone is on a level playing-field. In fact, they'll probably fare better if they are going slower. Also, I don't think it looks like the GTR is at full throttle while the Zonda is at less. They look pretty close to me.

So I don't really see your argument. First you said the GTR had an unfair advantage because they get rolling starts, but then you conceded to my retort that everyone uses rolling starts. Then you said the GTR went at WOT while Porsches didn't, but that doesn't matter since the first acute corner is just after the start.

 

I've seen many of videos and most all of them have done a full throttle rolling start...i don't know if you have any videos of cars not doing that but I would say a rolling start is the norm. And the tires were stockers...

 

It is all over the internet that the car used some sort of start that was not the norm, and R compound tires. I just read today on another board that the cars suspension settings were also changed from factory ones. IMO Nissan is fudging the truth. I'd love to see a real, live side by side with a GT2.

To many fanboi's on here if you ask me LOL.

 

I'm probably what you could call a fanboy, just because I ordered a GT-R and want to back my future car. However, a lot of people on here think it's ugly and don't like it, but no matter who you are and what you stand for, you have to give props where props are due, and this is one amazing machine. The R-compound tires are something used by many manufactures for ring times, including porsche. I have never heard anything about the suspension being changed but I will keep my eye out. Nevertheless, a NISSAN posted times that run with cars 2-3 times as much as it. Even if they fudged it to get a better time, a few seconds off still puts it up there with the CCR, SLR and GT2. Despite what anyone says, it's still a bloody fast car.

 

I'm not saying it isn't a awesome performing car, my issue is all the "odd" things going on with the 'Ring times....

 

I understand where you are coming from. My only issue is, well, lets face it, I could almost guarantee you that almost every auto manufacturer has stretched a hp rating or top speed or 0-60 or ring time... The only difference is, Nissan is getting searched over like a middle eastern person at an airport because their car is such an outstanding performer that no one wants to believe it could beat ferraris and porsches. Everyone is searching for that cheat nissan may or may not have done to de-throne the GT-R. But right now, the GT-R is in the spotlight and that just makes corvette/porsche/and other mid range exotic owners upset because they believe it should be there car. Now, I understand the GT-R is not going to stay in the spotlight, someone is bound to come out with something better, something faster, but for the time being I fully intend to ride this train until it gets derailed....

BTW, this is not meant to bash any other car or competitor to the GT-R.

 

Some of you people really need to look up your information before you go around excusing Nissan of foul play, in regards to their ring times. Some of you almost seem to get off on assuming that Nissan's Ring times are frauds, when you REALLY don't know much about the testing conditions or car preperation. Nissan has been pushing their Ring time unlike any manufacturer to date, with a really capable car, and testing conditions which are likely superior to other manufacturers. I'm not suprised to see such impressive times coming from their camp, especially considering how many hours they have logged at the Ring. The source (PistonHeads) that orginally claimed that Nissan was using Cut slicks to achieve their original 7:38 time, was found of misquoting Nissan's chief engineer, and was later corrected. Hell, if people want to go off on a limb and excuse Nissan of cheating, you might as well do the same for some of Porsche's antics of late, especially in regards to paying sources to munipulate what information is seen by the public and enthusiast. lol. http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...0&t=529344&i=0 At times, it almost seems like this level of cover up or foul play is seen on this forum, in regards to all of the GT-R censorship, and claims that Nissan is full of ****. Talk about crooked...and yet Nissan is the only one ever guilty of anything, even though there is no credible information to back any of those naysayers up. Supposedly the latest 7:29 times achieved was on the Dunlops, and not the optional Bridgestones RE070's that everyone makes such a fuss about, even though they have been used as oem tires on the Sti's for several years now. The 9 second gain was mostly due to the resurfacing of the track, better track conditions (no damp sections like when the 7:38 times was achieved), updated suspension settings, as well as revised transmision and engine mounting, to match the changes that went into the production line. I hope that helps end some of your conspirisist theories lol.

 

"The" only thing odd here "is" where you think "quotation" marks should go"."

What is odd about the 'ring times? Your rolling start theory was debunked. Your tire theory contradicts a direct statement from Nissan. I'm not sure what is still controversial. You know most people who supported your conspiracy theory jumped ship when all the 3rd party tests corroborated the GTR's performance capabilities right?

 

Whatever kid.

Are all of you even aware that there was repaving done at the track? Meaning ALL the old times cars ran could be impoved on as well?