Ouch GT-R
#46
12-29-2008 | 12:05 AM
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I'm waiting until Nissan gets hauled into court.... To comply with federal law they use specific language:
"DAMAGE, FAILURES OR CORROSION DUE TO
ACCIDENTS, MISUSE OR ALTERATIONS
This warranty does not cover damage, failures or corrosion
resulting from:
■ Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control
(VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in
mud or snow (see GT-R Owner's Manual)."
So you see that, in terms of the warranty, it isn't turning off the VDC that causes the loss of warranty- it is that if damage is CAUSED by turning off the VDC then the breakdown isn't covered.
I imagine this is a difficult thing to prove. (Easy to assert, especially if all the software, contents and results are kept secret.) And they don't need to, practically speaking- they look at the logs, decide it was off too much, some hard launches, and determine that they will deny the claim. Do they have the ability to link a specific 'turning off of the VDC to a specific failure'? I doubt it.
But the challnege is getting a case to discovery for less than 3 times the cost of the new tranny! Perhaps a lawyer with a blown tranny will get pissed off one of these days.
And if you can erase the data logging module, you may do so- the warranty will not cover a failure if it was due to erasing the module...but if the failure is unrelated to the missing data log, then legally the warranty should still cover the failure. Fat chance Nissan would agree. But it would be nifty to have a 'reset' button, eh? ("Shucks, haven't a clue why there's no data in there...you guys sure you fully validated that software?)
Interesting, it reads that they WILL cover damage caused with the VDC off if it occurs when rocking in snow or mud.....
Anyone finds an active case or verdict, please post a link...
"DAMAGE, FAILURES OR CORROSION DUE TO
ACCIDENTS, MISUSE OR ALTERATIONS
This warranty does not cover damage, failures or corrosion
resulting from:
■ Operating the vehicle with the Vehicle Dynamic Control
(VDC) off, except when rocking vehicle when stuck in
mud or snow (see GT-R Owner's Manual)."
So you see that, in terms of the warranty, it isn't turning off the VDC that causes the loss of warranty- it is that if damage is CAUSED by turning off the VDC then the breakdown isn't covered.
I imagine this is a difficult thing to prove. (Easy to assert, especially if all the software, contents and results are kept secret.) And they don't need to, practically speaking- they look at the logs, decide it was off too much, some hard launches, and determine that they will deny the claim. Do they have the ability to link a specific 'turning off of the VDC to a specific failure'? I doubt it.
But the challnege is getting a case to discovery for less than 3 times the cost of the new tranny! Perhaps a lawyer with a blown tranny will get pissed off one of these days.
And if you can erase the data logging module, you may do so- the warranty will not cover a failure if it was due to erasing the module...but if the failure is unrelated to the missing data log, then legally the warranty should still cover the failure. Fat chance Nissan would agree. But it would be nifty to have a 'reset' button, eh? ("Shucks, haven't a clue why there's no data in there...you guys sure you fully validated that software?)
Interesting, it reads that they WILL cover damage caused with the VDC off if it occurs when rocking in snow or mud.....
Anyone finds an active case or verdict, please post a link...
#48
01-07-2009 | 11:41 AM
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One of those was a guy with 100+ launches running 10.53 on the 1/4 mile, and modded. He knew he was going to break it, But kept doing it for the sake of research. Samurai Speed is a perfect example of that.
Show me any car that can withstand that type of abuse with the high torque numbers he was pulling.
People stop spreading rumors that simply aren't true. For 09 there were 1700 GTR's sold. Less than 1% have failed. More like .5% and most have been proven they were seriously abused.
But like someone here mentioned, nobody wants to hear that here. I guess they're intimidated by the GTR.
Last edited by haveboost; 01-07-2009 at 11:44 AM.
#51
01-07-2009 | 06:08 PM
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Funny thing when people, don't know what they're talking about. What's A lot? Less than a handful.
One of those was a guy with 100+ launches running 10.53 on the 1/4 mile, and modded. He knew he was going to break it, But kept doing it for the sake of research. Samurai Speed is a perfect example of that.
Show me any car that can withstand that type of abuse with the high torque numbers he was pulling.
People stop spreading rumors that simply aren't true. For 09 there were 1700 GTR's sold. Less than 1% have failed. More like .5% and most have been proven they were seriously abused.
But like someone here mentioned, nobody wants to hear that here. I guess they're intimidated by the GTR.
One of those was a guy with 100+ launches running 10.53 on the 1/4 mile, and modded. He knew he was going to break it, But kept doing it for the sake of research. Samurai Speed is a perfect example of that.
Show me any car that can withstand that type of abuse with the high torque numbers he was pulling.
People stop spreading rumors that simply aren't true. For 09 there were 1700 GTR's sold. Less than 1% have failed. More like .5% and most have been proven they were seriously abused.
But like someone here mentioned, nobody wants to hear that here. I guess they're intimidated by the GTR.
My guess is that there would be allot more unreported cases. A handful of broken cars would not have been enough for Nissan to take out the performance enhancing LC system.
#52
01-08-2009 | 10:41 AM
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After I bought the car I started hearing about the "problem". So I've done a ton of reasearch on this. From my understanding the Japanese Model 08 had some issues with the solenoids. (Which has been corrected) A few NNA cars have had failures blown 1 st gear. Now in the 21st century where everyone complains on the internet about everything there's only a handful of these guys complaining. So we know NNA sold 1700 and something cars in 09. So simple math .5% is 8.5 cars on 1700.
Now the few who have reported failures have been caught on not being truthful about their "abuse". Except JohnTurbo who from the beginning stated he's launched his car with a ton of mods. (HKS GT570 Kit, Exhaust, Methanol Injection, and who knows what else) He ran 10.53 with 100+ launches.
Also There's a ton of cars modded out there and you'd think you hear about more of these problems. But yet there's crickets.....
You can get a lemon from any manufacturer. I agree. But let's be real, What car can take the abuse of a 4500rpm clutch drop with 4k lbs, over and over?
Now for those who say the car doesn't run as advertised without that feature (I was one of those, when I found out about the "problem"). Wrong again. Many people are running mid 11's with just smashing the throttle. NO LC!
#54
01-08-2009 | 07:58 PM
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It's just a guestimate. I own the car and have followed the "issue" very closely.
After I bought the car I started hearing about the "problem". So I've done a ton of reasearch on this. From my understanding the Japanese Model 08 had some issues with the solenoids. (Which has been corrected) A few NNA cars have had failures blown 1 st gear. Now in the 21st century where everyone complains on the internet about everything there's only a handful of these guys complaining. So we know NNA sold 1700 and something cars in 09. So simple math .5% is 8.5 cars on 1700.
Now the few who have reported failures have been caught on not being truthful about their "abuse". Except JohnTurbo who from the beginning stated he's launched his car with a ton of mods. (HKS GT570 Kit, Exhaust, Methanol Injection, and who knows what else) He ran 10.53 with 100+ launches.
Also There's a ton of cars modded out there and you'd think you hear about more of these problems. But yet there's crickets.....
You can get a lemon from any manufacturer. I agree. But let's be real, What car can take the abuse of a 4500rpm clutch drop with 4k lbs, over and over?
Now for those who say the car doesn't run as advertised without that feature (I was one of those, when I found out about the "problem"). Wrong again. Many people are running mid 11's with just smashing the throttle. NO LC!
After I bought the car I started hearing about the "problem". So I've done a ton of reasearch on this. From my understanding the Japanese Model 08 had some issues with the solenoids. (Which has been corrected) A few NNA cars have had failures blown 1 st gear. Now in the 21st century where everyone complains on the internet about everything there's only a handful of these guys complaining. So we know NNA sold 1700 and something cars in 09. So simple math .5% is 8.5 cars on 1700.
Now the few who have reported failures have been caught on not being truthful about their "abuse". Except JohnTurbo who from the beginning stated he's launched his car with a ton of mods. (HKS GT570 Kit, Exhaust, Methanol Injection, and who knows what else) He ran 10.53 with 100+ launches.
Also There's a ton of cars modded out there and you'd think you hear about more of these problems. But yet there's crickets.....
You can get a lemon from any manufacturer. I agree. But let's be real, What car can take the abuse of a 4500rpm clutch drop with 4k lbs, over and over?
Now for those who say the car doesn't run as advertised without that feature (I was one of those, when I found out about the "problem"). Wrong again. Many people are running mid 11's with just smashing the throttle. NO LC!
#58
01-19-2009 | 02:40 PM
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you know I have not tracked my GTR and I probably won't. But I agree that Nissan needs to do something.
The GTR is a great car, however. It was set up from factory the way most 100k plus cars should come and don't. Look at how many supercars have to get aftermarket suspensions to actually corner really well. The GTR already comes that way. It may not be able to do the 7:29 claimed by Nissan, but I'd bet that at it's weight there is no other car that can touch it from factory. Just my opinion so don't flame me.
The GTR is a great car, however. It was set up from factory the way most 100k plus cars should come and don't. Look at how many supercars have to get aftermarket suspensions to actually corner really well. The GTR already comes that way. It may not be able to do the 7:29 claimed by Nissan, but I'd bet that at it's weight there is no other car that can touch it from factory. Just my opinion so don't flame me.
#60
01-21-2009 | 03:00 AM
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Yeah right. At most, six have failed stateside that have not been covered, because we have all heard the ensuing wail of despair and the many echoes that followed through forums the world over.
Not to mention the the incredible workout this issue has been given in the press.