How are GTR’s already in the 125 mph trap speeds with the massive weight????
#46
03-11-2009, 02:10 PM
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I agree that a 0-140 mph race with GTR will be very close because of GTR's superior launch capabilities, which i give kudos to Nissan.
Franky when i drove the GTR ...i was disappointed in its top end and roll car racing ability. It feels brutal from the get go...but after 100 mph ..i felt it lost steam totally. This is all in compariosn to my 996TT tuned and Z06.
All i am saying in a regular street roll , most of the time from 60mph to 130mph...GTR will be pulled badly on by many high hp cars. The difference will be significant enough!!!
A 3 sec difference in 60-130 is a lot.
Also a 500 whp 996 turbo or a Z06 traps high 120's. A stock GTR is in the 118-120 range. A cobb tune puts it in mid 120's.
Franky when i drove the GTR ...i was disappointed in its top end and roll car racing ability. It feels brutal from the get go...but after 100 mph ..i felt it lost steam totally. This is all in compariosn to my 996TT tuned and Z06.
All i am saying in a regular street roll , most of the time from 60mph to 130mph...GTR will be pulled badly on by many high hp cars. The difference will be significant enough!!!
A 3 sec difference in 60-130 is a lot.
Also a 500 whp 996 turbo or a Z06 traps high 120's. A stock GTR is in the 118-120 range. A cobb tune puts it in mid 120's.
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#47
03-11-2009, 02:17 PM
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Rep Power: 80 You take out the launch and gearing advantage and the GTR is a relatively heavy car with less power than the 997 Turbo or Z06. Which is why both pull the GTR over about 90 mph.
That's why I think from 40-140 the huge power difference between a 120 mph trapping car and a 129-130 trapping car should equal more than two cars. But I wasn't there and don't own both cars, I would imagine the Viper to be traction limited from a low roll.
The guy I know that has a GTR with the HKS 570 mods and more walked his customers ZR-1. But the told me on the factory PS2's that the car would even lose traction at 70 mph.....
That's why I think from 40-140 the huge power difference between a 120 mph trapping car and a 129-130 trapping car should equal more than two cars. But I wasn't there and don't own both cars, I would imagine the Viper to be traction limited from a low roll.
The guy I know that has a GTR with the HKS 570 mods and more walked his customers ZR-1. But the told me on the factory PS2's that the car would even lose traction at 70 mph.....
HKS cars are putting down 666awhp. For that much HP it is ridiculously slow because of its extra fat. Most cars weighing in the 3400 lbs range will be trapping 140+..GTR traps 133 maybe…
Bottom-line…the weight is the killer. Which ever way you slice and dice it comes down to it after 80 mph. GTR's need to workout and shed some serious pounds before it can play with the big boys on the highways.
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#48
03-11-2009, 06:59 PM
i tested a stock GTR with 100 miles on it today. it ran 60-130 in 10.3, 3.4 to 60 and 11.8 @ 121 on launch control. this was with a slight tail wind. the new launch control is way better in my opinion.
fyi, we have seen 60-130 runs in the 7.8 sec. range with about 540 whp. that is 3.5 sec. quicker than stock. but still not as fast as some other modded cars. there is not much you can do about the weight of the gtr.
fyi, we have seen 60-130 runs in the 7.8 sec. range with about 540 whp. that is 3.5 sec. quicker than stock. but still not as fast as some other modded cars. there is not much you can do about the weight of the gtr.
#49
03-11-2009, 09:23 PM
I agree...Btw the
HKS cars are putting down 666awhp. For that much HP it is ridiculously slow because of its extra fat. Most cars weighing in the 3400 lbs range will be trapping 140+..GTR traps 133 maybe…
Bottom-line…the weight is the killer. Which ever way you slice and dice it comes down to it after 80 mph. GTR's need to workout and shed some serious pounds before it can play with the big boys on the highways.
HKS cars are putting down 666awhp. For that much HP it is ridiculously slow because of its extra fat. Most cars weighing in the 3400 lbs range will be trapping 140+..GTR traps 133 maybe…
Bottom-line…the weight is the killer. Which ever way you slice and dice it comes down to it after 80 mph. GTR's need to workout and shed some serious pounds before it can play with the big boys on the highways.
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you have such negative tone when you post stuff about the GT-R...lighten up..its just cars...also..muscle mass is heavier than fat ;-)
#51
03-11-2009, 11:57 PM
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Rep Power: 80 Here is a link of animal house racing's GT-R...they are in the 10s and trap 133mph with these mods:
AHR CERAMIC WHEEL BEARINGS
AHR CERAMIC PULLEY BEARINGS
AHR THERMAL GASKET KIT
AHR Y PIPE
COBB ACCESS PORT
link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL0wZP3-MaE
you have such negative tone when you post stuff about the GT-R...lighten up..its just cars...also..muscle mass is heavier than fat ;-)
AHR CERAMIC WHEEL BEARINGS
AHR CERAMIC PULLEY BEARINGS
AHR THERMAL GASKET KIT
AHR Y PIPE
COBB ACCESS PORT
link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL0wZP3-MaE
you have such negative tone when you post stuff about the GT-R...lighten up..its just cars...also..muscle mass is heavier than fat ;-)
I never said anything about GTR not being able to acheive low 130 traps. We all know that its possible with 500+ whp. Btw..how much did that car dyno? I dont have a negative tone...I am just stating facts and sometime it hurts. I said it many times GTR is a great car and few cars can launch like it..also read what Hennesey said...I am sure he knows something about cars.
Btw...we raced my buddy's stock GTR with a tuned 375 whp vishnu BMW 335i. we started from 60 and shut off at 140. The 335i pulls 1 car length till 80 and then the GTR shoots ahead 2 car lengths and stays that way till shut off. We ran about 10 times and results were pretty much the same.
I am not even going to race it with my 996tt till he gets the Cobb tune tommorow..then it will be a good race.
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#52
03-11-2009, 11:59 PM
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Rep Power: 80 i tested a stock GTR with 100 miles on it today. it ran 60-130 in 10.3, 3.4 to 60 and 11.8 @ 121 on launch control. this was with a slight tail wind. the new launch control is way better in my opinion.
fyi, we have seen 60-130 runs in the 7.8 sec. range with about 540 whp. that is 3.5 sec. quicker than stock. but still not as fast as some other modded cars. there is not much you can do about the weight of the gtr.
fyi, we have seen 60-130 runs in the 7.8 sec. range with about 540 whp. that is 3.5 sec. quicker than stock. but still not as fast as some other modded cars. there is not much you can do about the weight of the gtr.
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#53
03-12-2009, 09:45 AM
John, I am alot more curious on how the GTR does on the track. What does Heinricy think of it? What is your opinion on how it stacks up against your CTS-V and ZR-1?
If your looking to drag race, I would think the GTR would be a very expensive way to get into the 10's.
If your looking to drag race, I would think the GTR would be a very expensive way to get into the 10's.
#54
03-12-2009, 10:56 AM
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+1 That i agree and a good question. I would lilke to know as well.
#55
03-12-2009, 11:24 AM
Anyone been following the ceramic wheel bearings? I can't wait for them to be made available for all cars. I hear in the motorcycle world they are well know for there benefits.
Sorry I just realized they do custom make them for any car that you have, you just have to contact them.
Sorry I just realized they do custom make them for any car that you have, you just have to contact them.
#56
03-13-2009, 08:30 PM
First of that is very impressive time with no turbo upgrades.
I never said anything about GTR not being able to acheive low 130 traps. We all know that its possible with 500+ whp. Btw..how much did that car dyno? I dont have a negative tone...I am just stating facts and sometime it hurts. I said it many times GTR is a great car and few cars can launch like it..also read what Hennesey said...I am sure he knows something about cars.
Btw...we raced my buddy's stock GTR with a tuned 375 whp vishnu BMW 335i. we started from 60 and shut off at 140. The 335i pulls 1 car length till 80 and then the GTR shoots ahead 2 car lengths and stays that way till shut off. We ran about 10 times and results were pretty much the same.
I am not even going to race it with my 996tt till he gets the Cobb tune tommorow..then it will be a good race.
I never said anything about GTR not being able to acheive low 130 traps. We all know that its possible with 500+ whp. Btw..how much did that car dyno? I dont have a negative tone...I am just stating facts and sometime it hurts. I said it many times GTR is a great car and few cars can launch like it..also read what Hennesey said...I am sure he knows something about cars.
Btw...we raced my buddy's stock GTR with a tuned 375 whp vishnu BMW 335i. we started from 60 and shut off at 140. The 335i pulls 1 car length till 80 and then the GTR shoots ahead 2 car lengths and stays that way till shut off. We ran about 10 times and results were pretty much the same.
I am not even going to race it with my 996tt till he gets the Cobb tune tommorow..then it will be a good race.
your explainations are sort of confusing...saying that it is a great accelerating car and now saying that it isnt...and actually pulls over 80...im having question marks hovering above my head...
#57
03-14-2009, 03:14 AM
I agree...Btw the
HKS cars are putting down 666awhp. For that much HP it is ridiculously slow because of its extra fat. Most cars weighing in the 3400 lbs range will be trapping 140+..GTR traps 133 maybe…
Bottom-line…the weight is the killer. Which ever way you slice and dice it comes down to it after 80 mph. GTR's need to workout and shed some serious pounds before it can play with the big boys on the highways.
HKS cars are putting down 666awhp. For that much HP it is ridiculously slow because of its extra fat. Most cars weighing in the 3400 lbs range will be trapping 140+..GTR traps 133 maybe…
Bottom-line…the weight is the killer. Which ever way you slice and dice it comes down to it after 80 mph. GTR's need to workout and shed some serious pounds before it can play with the big boys on the highways.
I have never seen a HKS car put down 666awhp and for a stock turbo car that is extremly high. Thats well over 220whp to 250whp over a stock dyno car. General rule on a HKS kit car is about 120-150whp over a stock car. Stock cars dyno between 400whp to 430whp stock. There has been only 1 car that has trapped at 133 and it was Animal House Racings car which didnt have the HKS kit. Johns car that hit the 10.5s was trapping in the 128s. Which to me cars trapping at 128mph shows the car is putting down roughly 550whp-580whp
http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan--GT-R-Drag-Racing.html
The weight is a factor but I dont think it is the main reason. Just look at a supra. It weighs 3700-3800lbs but is a killer highway car. The GTR is doing just fine up to about 100mph-125mph. The power needed to get the GTR going off the line , from a start is affected by the weight but once this car is moving HP, Drag, Gearing is more of a factor. The GTRs weight will never go down by alot. There just isnt much more weight savings left in it and a prime example is the SpecV which only helps with weight by about 100-150lbs.
Bottom line is I dont think this car was designed, built, geared for top speed or 140+ runs even though it will top out at 190-195. The GTRs strong point to me is on the race track at speeds from 0 to about 130-140. With its under body panels and air ducting, spoilers I think some of that is hurting the GTR for the high speed pulls. This car was designed to give phenominal grip, traction, control and most of that on a race track for this car is never over 140mph to 150mph.
#58
03-14-2009, 03:41 AM
Now probably just some Drag Radials on a ZR-1 could get you there with a tune and pulley it could get even better. I have seen 130mph and 138mph for traps on these
#59
03-14-2009, 07:24 AM
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Kickhard,
I understand what you are saying and agree with most comments ,but why are we seeing relatively low 60-130 numbers from the GTR. Stock GTR's trapping 120 are in mid 10sec ,60-130.
I timed my friends tuned BMW 335i (10 sec , 60-130). His cobb tuned GTR only pulls 2-2.5 cars on the BMW from 60-130. I saw somewhere here that even a CObb tuned GTR does only mid 9 sec 60-130. A cobb tuned GTR is in the high 400 whp range correct? Most cars above 450 whp are faster than that.
But the same cobb cars trap close to 125mph. looking at some of the graphs i posted above ...it falls flat at 100 and then recovers.
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....st=20&start=20
Scroll down in this link for the graphs.
I understand what you are saying and agree with most comments ,but why are we seeing relatively low 60-130 numbers from the GTR. Stock GTR's trapping 120 are in mid 10sec ,60-130.
I timed my friends tuned BMW 335i (10 sec , 60-130). His cobb tuned GTR only pulls 2-2.5 cars on the BMW from 60-130. I saw somewhere here that even a CObb tuned GTR does only mid 9 sec 60-130. A cobb tuned GTR is in the high 400 whp range correct? Most cars above 450 whp are faster than that.
But the same cobb cars trap close to 125mph. looking at some of the graphs i posted above ...it falls flat at 100 and then recovers.
http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....st=20&start=20
Scroll down in this link for the graphs.
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#60
03-14-2009, 01:55 PM
Some of the cobb cars are still only trapping 118-121 mph. Some trap that stock Seems there is a wide range of power between one car and the next. John, the same guy that ran 10's had his car trapping 114 mph stock, then 118 on Cobb only and then went up from there.
540 whp is enough wheel hp for a 125 mph trap in great conditions. Plus no one says if they've done any weight reduction. Just changing the seats and tires on a GT-R will get you 130-150 lbs
540 whp is enough wheel hp for a 125 mph trap in great conditions. Plus no one says if they've done any weight reduction. Just changing the seats and tires on a GT-R will get you 130-150 lbs