Show me one place here in this thread where I've bashed the GT-R? Everything stated here has been form Edmunds's own blog - who by the way is one of the biggest media supporters of the GT-R. Both you and Jasper really need to relax - I didn't start this thread to make it a pissing match...we had plenty of those last year: (hence forming a GT-R forum)

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https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...11-vs-gtr.html
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https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...have-look.html
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-vs-911-a.html
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...7-vs-gt-r.html
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Well... back to the original topic of the post... Is the GT-R service expensive? Sure! More so than any average car, but not more than any Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, MB, BMW, Audi. All high marque cars.

Whats misleading I guess is the GT-R is a Nissan. A car showing the depths of a company's engineering and passion. But because of its marque, skeptics think is should be as cheap as an altima to service.

 

nice comment from a guy with P O R S C H E...

 

bbywu - i don't think he was specifically pointing at you, it's just the vibe from everyone else that injects their $0.02 about something they know absolutely nothing about, except what they read on the interwebz.

 

I was not specifically pointing at you so chill. It didnt require you to post up every link in defense. I was not qouting u in particular just the whole vibe and feel of this sub forum is negative towards the GTR. I see none of these types of post in the Porsche sub forums

If you didnt start this thread to be a pissing match then why did you start it? The service prices and oils etc have been discussed at length before with most of prices quoted being list price or above. I dont feel these prices are out of the ordinary when compared to a Porsche 911 TT(which is what the GTR is aimed at) or simular or compared to a car that is new to the market place(Not even out a year here yet)

 

Thats correct Jasper

Of topic Jasper but do you live near Raeford Rd? My parents live in Fayetteville in a area called Rayconda. Maybe next time i am up that way we can have a little meet.

 

I'll bite...I simply disagree with you. In fact, I think you are wrong. What is the average cost of service for the 997TT during the first 20K miles?

If you own a 07, first scheduled maintinence is at 20K miles. Essentially an oil change, visual inspection, interior A/C filter replacement, and brake fluid. Total cost, $750 at best. Obviously if you track frequently, you'll incur additional costs: tires, pads, rotors...but we're talking scheduled routine maintenance.

For the GT-R, the optimization checks are free (which is great) but even if you consider your car a "schedule 2" vehicle, you are changing your oil every 6 months, and at 18K miles, you are changing transmission oil and differential oil.

I think it is disingenuous to say that the costs are on par with the 911 turbo. By 20K miles, just oil changes alone would cost more than the 911. This doesn't even include the transmission fluid change at 18K. I am reading the service manual in front of me...not searching for google information like others.

 

Come on Be real what 911tt owner is gonna wait to change their oil every 20k miles scheduled or not? If your going to wait until 20k to change your oil on a 150k porsche you should be shot. I would also think that if you are driving your porsche you would change the oil at least every 6 months too.

My oil and filter change cost me $105 out the door. (yes that is all parts and labor). The only thing I see that is different is the Transmission service. What is the Transmission service on a Auto 911TT(keep in mind it is not a DSG box)? If I changed the oil every 3k to 20,000miles it would be $700 or so.

You tell me what is the average cost of a oil and filter service for a 911tt since you have the manual in front of you?

 

I'm going by what is in the manual. There are folks that change their oil every 3K miles too, but that doesn't mean it's the recommended schedule. Are you trying to outsmart the engineers? Because I can play that game too.

And to be honest, the 08-09 997TTs have changed their interval to 10K not 20K. But it is still fewer than the GT-R.

$140 for oil change. I'm sure I could find lower prices if I looked hard, and you could find higher prices if you called around. Looks pretty comparable.

Tranny change isn't needed until 120K miles. Auto or manual. After looking at both manuals...the bottom line is based on scheduled maintenance intervals, less things need to be done to the 997TT during the same interval. And with the costs being relatively comparable for the oil and filter, the tranny fluid change is what kills the GT-R in maintenance costs...by 120K miles, you would have changed the fluid at least 6 times on a schedule 2 GT-R....

 

This is pretty silly because a car is a car and service is service. This only difference i see is in Transmission service and then at that you are not comparing at DSG to a DSG. you are comparing the manual and regular auto the porsche has. I have not seen what porsche engineers are reccomending for a DSG box?

Just because the engineers say 10k for the Mobil 1 does not mean people are following it either which you have admitted

Honestly every 10k a change would be a about 6months of driving for some people too.

You have also admitted already that the oil change is $140.00 which is more than I pay or is comparable.

If I pay for a Trans service at 18k yes it will be about 500-800 more imo than the life time of equal miles

 

You and Jasper keep bringing this up...it doesn't exist for the 997TT yet. You keep wanting to compare the 997TT in all aspects, but are unwilling to compare service and maintenance. It is clear that the GT-R was pointed directly to compete with the 997TT. When PDK is available, we'll more info...but you and Jasper want to compare apples to apples, right? Well, Nissan decided to call the GT-R their apple, and compared it to the 997TT...which doesn't have double clutch.

It doesn't change the fact that the scheduled maintenance says it doesn't need to be done. In fact, with the exception of a free oil change that my dealership gave me at 3K miles, I just recently had my 2 year 20K mile service done with its first oil change. According to you, I should be shot...nice metaphore (especially for the last 48 hours in America.)

Absolute speculation...it is a 10K/1 year minor maintenance schedule...not a 10K/6 month maintenance. And I could play your game too...how many GT-R owners are content with a oil change at 6K? How many agressive drivers are doing it more frequently? Lets stick to facts, not speculation.

Fact...997TT requires a service interval at 20K miles/2 years (for 07) and 10K miles/1 year (for 08)
Fact...997TT requires a brake flush at 20K miles/ 2 years
Fact...GT-R requires a oil service every 6K mile/6 month
Fact...GT-R requires a tranny fluid change at 18K miles
Fact...GT-R requires a differential oil change at 18K miles

Conclusion...more oil changes, more fluid changes, more cost in same interval.

If you pay for trans service at 18K? Your manual says its a scheduled event. During the same duration of time and interval, the GT-R costs substantially more to maintain than the 997TT. If you extend the interval longer, the difference is even greater. In the same 20K interval, my 997TT would have cost $750 in scheduled maintenance and your would be what?

 

They are worth the money. The only person that doesn't own one (that I know of) which has a valid opinion of the car is rseven.

And for those of you thinking that the GTR/Z06 thing is crazy... well I only paid 84 bucks to service my GTR last week (general checkup) and of course I was driving the Z and the alternator decided to take a **** and throw sparks.

But you don't hear me crying about any of this.... some of you need a reality check and some REAL problems to deal with. It's all dependent on how you drive/use the cars to see the amount of money you pay.

I've got 22164 miles on the Z06 and 6342 on the GTR. So I guess I'll have to report back with a running tally total cost in 20000 miles of services on the GTR in order for other makes/models owners to feel better? what's the point? if you like it buy it. done.

 

Yeah, that sounds really shocking when you use the term "tranny fluid" and don't quantify the technological differences between the 911t's gearbox and the GT-R's. All gearboxes must be exactly the same, right?

The GR6 contains: Two fully automated 3 speed manual gearboxes with all associated actuation and control gear, A dualtronic clutch assembly with internallly located solenoid actuators, A GKN electromagnetic clutch transfer case, A mechanical 1.5 way rear differential and ALL off these components must be lubricated by the same "tranny fluid".

It's amazing how the term "tranny fluid" gains significance when you define it.

The lubricative demands on the 911t's "tranny fluid" could not hold a candle to the demands that are being placed on the "tranny fluid" that lubricates the GR6. They are simply not comparable on any level.

So yes, that would easily validate the cost of the fluid and the tighter service periods. If you want the GT-R's astounding performance then you need to pay for it.

 

In 20k miles the GTR I would do

Six oil changes(every 3k) @ a total of $650.00 parts and labor
Trans oil change(18k) @ a total of $580.00 parts
Diff Fluid change(18k) @ a total of $42.00 parts
Brake pads ? maybe a change dont know

So at 20k I would be spending roughly $1800.00 so far if I didnt have to do brakes. Now lets keep in mind that I alloted 6 oil changes instead of 3 which would cost $325.00 instead of $650.00

So at 20k if I did 3 engine oil filter changes it would be roughly $1475.00.

So @ 20k a GTR will be more expensive if I go by your scheduled service versus the porsche(yes you have me on that) but my point is that if I do the same service scheduled or not for the porsche(6 oil changes roughly $900.00) it would be closer except for the trans service

6 oil/filter changes for both cars with the GTR trans and diff changes also the scheduled 20k service for the porsche

Porsche = $1500.00 roughly
GTR = $1800 roughly
$300.00 difference

If I did it your way it would =

Porsche = $750.00
GTR = $1475.00 rough estimates for both
$725.00 difference

This is no tracking just street driven cars for both.

You mean to tell me you waited 20k miles to do your first oil change in your porscheTT? Maybe to you that is ok but to me it isnt and i dont agree with that scheduled service as I am sure alot of others dont. Engine oil fluids are relatively cheap insurance for a turbo car which runs hotter than a normal NA car. I know to me I would not wait 20k per oil change in my porsche scheduled or not.

I have admitted that the GTR transmission service would be more, that is a fact but to compare it to the porsche TT manual is not apples to apples like you say and if the GTR had a manual tranny like the porsche service oils would be the same but it doesnt. I changed my oil in the GTR at 1000miles but it is not in the service manual as scheduled but in fact it gave me piece of mind. There are people changing the Trans fluid way before 18k in the GTR(which I will probably do) just to make sure the it is ok. Its not scheduled at 5k or whatever they change it at but its ok

If I followed the same service intervals for both cars(oil/filters 3000 miles) they would be very close(screw the factory service schedule) other than the GTR trans fluid change.

I tell you what. You worry about servicing your porsche the way you want and I will worry about how best to service my GTR. Since you are so hell bent against the GTR it should really be no concern to you right? Just another thread to in your mind justify your purchase of the porsche(which is fine)

I enjoy my car and I am sure you enjoy yours and a service interval will not deter me or you from enjoying either one. At this level of money spent on either car I am sure you and i can justify spending or not spending what we do to insure our cars health.

 

Oh and of course Tranny fluid for the GTR is not $115.00 per unit. Its almost half that for the fluid with a quick search on thenismoshop.com (58.00 per unit there)