Hmm... That seems to be exactly what they were trying to do with their 'ring efforts.

 

To the person that neg repped me. This is a Porsche forum. Period. I do realize that it is in a GTR subroom, but 6speed is a porsche forum that also enjoys talking about other makes. Fool.

 

Or it has a defect.

AMS stands for "Auto Motor und Sport", the German testing magazine, not the tuning outfit.

 

I'm going with tamper.

 

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Where you part of the engineering team for the GT-R? Geeze dude chill.

I have built engines(turbocharged) and tuned them as a hobby for myself. I have done 20+ engines. Sometimes you do everything correct by the numbers and it doesn't work. You can try to build 2 identical motors w/ 2 identical tunes and I guarantee neither come out the same. This being in the same car w/ the same fuel and ignition system. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if any car manufacturer (Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, insert your fav) had a problem after one lap on a long track. Its one car it can be repaired no biggie. Any flaws are going to be found on the track, and lets face it this car is very new still.

We can tell you love the GT-R but its not the be all end all car. By the way I don't think any car is a simple mod and tune from 800 HP. I hope you own one of the new GT-R and enjoy it.

 

How about the other showroom stock cars tested around the Nurburgring that achieved a similar time, were they tampered with as well?

Face facts, the odds are against you. There have been several outfits that tested the GTR around the Nurburgring and achieved a similar result to Porshce, whereas only Nissan seems to be the only one that can achieve a 7:20's.

So instead of Porsche tampering with the GTR, maybe its the case of Nissan doing a ringer

 

LIES! Nissan has never done anything like that!

 

youre right about the tuning factor, this forum is full of nightmare stories from all makes and models that have had some half a** tuning job, there is even one where a guy added some ecu mods, headers, etc...raised is redline to a unlimited /ungoverened 7600 from 6900, and wonders why his block cracked lol! and who knows how hard he actually drove it! what we need is 24hr all stock production car endurance race with all the players, that would be awesome, at least for me

 

As Carmagazine? has stated, a stock GTR brakes has an effective use of only ONE very hard lap and a Spec V carbon ceramic brakes at least last THREE very hard laps. It is not Porsches fault that the GTR is a heavy machince and it is not Porsches fault that Nissan decided to use a front engined 4wd instead of a better setup RR like some certain German manufacturer.

Unlike ordinary mortals, these manufacturers and magazines would not wink about a few thousand Euros in repairs and maintenance. The sad thing is that Nissan advertised something which no one can ever replicate.

You could also see it this way. Nissan didnt put the GTR through an extensive enough testing loop, as clearly evidenced by their outragious inspection procedure, their fragile gearbox, and their ineffecient cooling .

The person whose GTR broke down didnt create the thread, he only responded to a fellow GTR owner who noticed the broken GTR being towed. This owner with the broken GTR was also part of a group of enthusiasts, some driving GTR's at the same time. No one has questioned the fact that this particular fellow has a GTR, drove it and broke down at the Ring.


Here is the thread.

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/123995-br...-happened.html


It's very sad that anyone would associate the current Porsche with **** Germany, surely Porsche has made ammends (as much as humanly possible) since WWII. I also do not find jokes about concentration camps funny.

I do know my history and Germany wasnt the only nation doing the invading. Instead of reading anymore GTR threads/praise, maybe you should open up a history book and learn what exactly happened and who the major players were.

Achieving 800hp takes more than just a tune and boost increase. Increase the boost enough and your outside the turbo, intercooler and exhaust extraction effeciency (im not even talking about effeciency here). Trust me when I say that a GTR with TUNE only will NOT reach 800hp.

 

Apart from Sport Auto who made 7:38 and didn't spend a year or so there with the GTR like Nissan did.

Funny how the GTR puts in times that point to a 7:2X/7:3X 'ring lap on all other track tests. Maybe if the GT2 was significantly beating the GTR by a couple of seconds/minute on all other comparison laps I'd take your point. Until then mathematics and the land of non-vertical v-t traces are against you.

 

History shows that Nissan has never used a ringer around the Nurburgring..............Dirk Schoymans' promise.

 

Actually the GT2 has beaten the GTR several times, Sport Auto achieved a similar enough result to Porsche while Driver Republic believed that the GT2 can also achieve its advertised time (unlike Nissan).

Which track is this and which car did they used? Like ive said before high hp supercars should do better than the GTR around the ring, since they are more able to use their hp and aero advantage.

 

Not that it really matters to us because 99% of us will never drive our cars like that, but it would be pretty funny if it's true. I have this thing about Porsche where I feel they are waaaay overpriced and overrated, so I enjoy seeing them get beat. Go GTR

 

I see your only 25 years old, yet very saavy as I can see by your post, which to me makes more sense than 99% of the posts I read on this board. I do race cars of all kinds on many types of tracks and I must say I agree with your summary 100%!

 

cherza (not saying this is you) but the "thing" that most people have about Porsche.....is that they can't afford one. they may not be perfect, but their level of refinement and performance in combination is at such a level that most automotive manufactures will never achieve there status as a true everyday supercar. there are cars that are faster and cheaper, but none that offer the total package nor the history, which is why to this date Porsche remains the benchmark of sportscar automotive excellence.

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