Holy CRA(P)!! we agreed on something in a bike vs car thread!!

Make it a Sticky asap lol!!

 

No. It looks like I'm tiring of everything you're tiring of...

If the bike was faster and was able to be controlled, it would've finished first. But it didn't.

Please feel free to carry on about people who ride bikes, and lose to inferior cars.

BUT on the same subject, people in cars don't realize the dangers they are putting themselves in at these high speeds. People on bikes may understand it better, because they are closer to the action (read: no steel cage).

 

I would have agreed with you except I've seen it myself. 750rwhp Supras, Vettes, etc getting pulled on easily by 1000cc bikes. I used to think the top end of my 650rwhp C6 Z06 was enough to pull a bike. Nope, not even close. Even from a 90mph roll, the 1000cc bike would wheelie and just walk me time and time again. It's even worse from the dig. I know there are more powerful cars, but my cammed/bolton/tuned/sprayed Z06 had a nice power/weight and had instant acceleration. I know that there are much faster cars on a highway roll, but IMO it would have taken maybe 820whp or so to run with the 1000cc bike (not even talking about beating it). Either that, or a car would have to be geared perfectly for a high speed highway roll. Also, keep in mind some people do 100-200mph races against bikes. 1000cc bikes usually top out around 180mph. From 100-180 the bike is killer but it hits a brick wall because of gearing and that is where some car guys can catch up and overtake them only because they hit top speed while the car keeps accelerating. I'd love to see one of the monster Porsches/GT-R's/Supras/Vipers/Gallardos take out a liter bike with a well experienced rider. Is that Polish dude with the gt3076 997TT still going to run Oldgixxer? I will make sure I'm there with a video camera so we can share what happens.

 

Here`s a pretty sweet clip.

Gixxer 1000cc vs Lightened Evo 6 with 700whp,this evo is optimized for accelaration. The rider said after the race that he could had done a better start on a lower gear. he was used to not even trying that hard against most cars that day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5A4OtqW6NQ

 

nice clip

 

Before watching it, my money's on the SRAD 1000.

 

Tell the rider to use full-throttle next time.

 

I have no doubt that the bike itself is capable of quicker acceleration, and faster speeds, but the driver/rider is part of the equation when it comes to a race.

You can't take out the driver, and make excuses for the bike. It is a rider+bike = win/loss. Not: bike (+/- rider) = win. If this were the case, we would never actually drag race, and live vicariously through magazine stats (bench racing/ mag racing).

 

Absolutely bro. That's why I've beaten bikes before and had a false illusion that my car was suuuuper fast lol. I know of a few M5/M6 guys who swore there cars could kill a 1000cc bike because they actually have beaten them before.

On the streets is all about driver vs driver. On the track, moreso.

 

Okay, let's review some facts. From a dig, we all know that most bikes will smash most cars. I have never argued this fact. My point has always been that from a roll, a 700+ rwhp car can keep up with, if not beat, many liter bikes with your typical rider. Especially once you get into high speeds.

CycleWorld did a 0-180 mph test of a bunch of bikes back in 2008. They used professional riders for the test and measured the acceleration of the bikes at various intervals from 0-180 mph, as well as terminal velocity. The quickest bike overall in the test by a large margin was the ZX-10R. The slowest was an R1. The Hayabusa and GSXR 1000 fell in-between the two.

Let's look at the numbers compared to a 730 rwhp GT2 that went 206 in the TX mile and has also run a 10.8 @ 143 in the 1/4 mile.

First, the GT2 (I've extracted the times from his TX Mile Performance Box data). The GT2 driver is a good driver. Not a pro, but a good driver nonetheless:

60-100 - 2.55
60-150 - 8.53
100-150 - 5.97
100-180 - 11.64
150-180 - 5.67

Now, extrapolating the data in the graph, the bikes ran the following roll-on times:

R1:
60-100 - 2.33
60-150 - 7.71
100-150 - 5.38
100-180 - 15.88
150-180 - 10.50

GSXR 1000:
60-100 - 2.30
60-150 - 7.28
100-150 - 4.98
100-180 - 13.43
150-180 - 8.45

Hayabusa:
60-100 - 2.41
60-150 - 7.60
100-150 - 5.19
100-180 - 13.26
150-180 - 8.07

ZX-10R
60-100 - 2.38
60-150 - 7.16
100-150 - 4.78
100-180 - 11.99
150-180 - 7.21

Notice that from 100-180 and 150-180, the GT2 is faster than all of the bikes. From 60-100 and 100-150, the GT2 is very close to a couple of the bikes. From 60-150, the bikes really dominate against this particular car. But at higher speeds, the bikes really start to slow down.

I think this data helps to explain why your average rider (not a guy that necessarily sucks, but someone that isn't a pro or a very experienced amateur), may find themselves being tied or yanked by a fast car. Especially if they are going well into triple digits, or they make one mistake (short-shifted, started in wrong gear, etc..)

Remember, this GT2 is only making 730 rwhp. Let's add 100 rwhp to that. My old 996TT at 830 rwhp (and 200 lbs heavier) went 60-150 in 7.60 and 100-150 in 4.48. That puts it smack dab near a ZX-10R.

Of course, some cars are faster than others, just like some bikes are faster than others. But considering all of the data, as well as the videos that are out there, I think it's safe to say that any car making 700+ whp is an honest threat to the average rider on the average liter bike, from a roll.

 

Scott,thankyou for keepin it real w the data...granted,this data was gathered using stock bikes.IMO,the gearing/hp/aero from a built turbo P car is advantageous to the stock literbike's from a 130+ roll so its tough for the bike from that speed...a lower speed where the bike can rev quickly through the lower gears would be the bikes sweet spot

It's hard to find a "stock" bike in the groups that I ride w and race with....So,that being said what is your opinion of a highly modded GT2 against a modded(cams,ported head,pistons..no power adder) Busa or GSXR 1K? Such as a 1441cc CNC head Busa? Or a 1097cc CNC head 1000?

Im not comparing highly modded bikes(turbo,sauce,or race fuel only)to the highly modded GT2,but middle of the road,pump gas bikes that make 40-70 more rwhp and will trap 160mph+ and hit the standing mile at over 200. There are lots of these running around&was curious if you ever rolled against one. Im pretty sure we are both in agreement that no modded Pcar(800-1000hp) will give a 300-500rwhp turbo Busa a fair run so I'll just leave that out.

My 200rwhp engine is being freshened up,maybe when its done u could find a car on this board you feel would be a worthy competitor and we could give it a whirl?
No **** talking,chest pounding,or nonsense involved just a nice stretch of road in mexico and some good cameras..all in the name of "data"
I would bring a handful of bikes from stock to built and we could see exactly how much hp a car needs to take a bike down from a 60-130 or 100-180 roll or whatever

 

great post!!!.. it finally puts a rest to all these "rider lost" ..**** was getting old

I raced a gixxer-1000 it was making 170whp (aprox) from 60 -190 with my old TT vette (put down 735whp-812trq) the guy was a very good driver - we were dead even until 145 -then i pulled on him pretty good ..

a car with good traction and 800hp- prob will beat 95% of bikes from 60-180

ill try to find the video of the bike i raced.. it was not my car in the race , but was the same bike+guy

the race was between a 800whp GTO and the gixxer 1000 .. the bike won .. but when i raced the bike it was a diffrent race.. we were even until 145 and then pulled..

 

not sure how to put the video on here.. but here is the link to the bike..

basiclly the race is from bridge to bridge ..

http://www.streetfire.net/video/800h...000_141463.htm

 

I don't really know. The fastest bike I personally ever raced was the modded 'busa I showed you in the vid. He claimed his bike made 186 rwhp and ran 9.1 @ 155. With a pro rider who was wringing it out and power shifting he would have won that night. But I wasn't powershifting either, and I was also at only app. 750 whp that night and had a passenger.

I think when the conditions for the liter bike are perfect (great rider, right gear, right speed), they will almost always win with similarly matched cars. But it seems it's much rarer for a bike to find itself under those perfect conditions that it is for a car.

It's just so damn hard to say. So many varibles, you know?

I honestly think I could give most riders on bikes trapping in the mid 160's a good run at the 800-850 rwhp level in a P-car....from a roll. A great rider would beat me, though. But if I powershifted, I don't think it'd be as bad as one might think.

With a rider that can handle a bike like that; agreed.

Finding a car that hang with 200rwhp will be somewhat difficult. I'm thinking 950+ rwhp at a miminum to even make it fun.

We'll see what we can do, though.

 

Yep. A 800rwhp GTO probably pulls like a 675rwhp 'vette or P-car so that's about right.

Great vid.