I see different claims like the facelift car will be a 2011 and 2012. Which is true? When will this car be out? Pre june (as 2011) or after june (as 2012)? Anybody knows?

 

How 'bout Pre-June as a 2012? Nah... I'm not sure when exactly they are being sold. I heard after February. I'm too lazy to look it up, as I have no interest in getting one that early.

It is a different chassis code altogether 2009-2011: CBA-R35 - 2012+: DBA-R35.

 

If this was the case I would love the GT-R even more because you could finally get the right tranny in it. If it was a porsche they would actually allow you to get a real manual transmission. I Love the GT-R but the major downfall to me (and I am not race car driver or expert) is the fact you can NOT get a real manual transmission. I would be crazy in love with the GT-R if you could.

 

The GT-R would be MUCH slower with a regular manual tranny. The whole magic of the GT-R is the combination of AWD, Turbos, and a Dual Clutch Transmission. All 3 combine to make the GT-R what it is. Without one of these pieces to the GT-R equation, it wouldn't be close to the performance figures it has today.

 

Yeah, you'd end up with a 997.1 Turbo.

Which lost in just about every single category of performance - by just about every driver.

 

I've not seen a video for the GTR time nor the GT2 RS time. I'm sure they're capable but theory and practice are different and I tend not to accept things on manufacturer's say so.

 

Oh no.....

 

How is that possible? Unless you intentionally ignore it, it's everywhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiXeOTf7-4s

 

That's not a 7:20 lap.

All I'm saying is that you can't break a record with mere claims.

 

It was verified by a 3rd party, no? How does every single other manufacturer do it?

 

Not as far as I know, not the 7:20 time for the GTR, nor the 7:18 time for the GT2 RS. Unless I've missed something? It seems unlikely that they wouldn't have captured such an event on video in this day and age.

 

Anton_2

What you can confirm any time is the fastest recorded RACE LAP in the current millennium 7:04 that belongs to Uwe Alzen in a PORSCHE 996 TURBO at the Ring.

You can find an articule in ROAD & TRACK magazine february 2009.You can find pics,vids,magazine articles...just truth info.

 

True

 

(I'm flashing back a year... Bear with me)

Last year the GT-R's time/lap was video recorded, with pics, magazine articles (in Best Motoring)... One can be more true than the other?

Magazines never spin a story... This is why the M3 is superior to the 911 Turbo (or, we should all agree to take magazine articles with a grain of salt).

Another magazine posted an article (I forgot the edition of toilet paper - the one comparing the GT2 to the GT-R - again for some idiotic reason) that the GT-R could in no way better as 7:45 (or something like that), shortly before HvS (SportAuto) turned a 7:38.

Moral of the story - just because it's in print (or on the interwebz), doesn't make it gospel. Although, I think we can all agree that it offers good talking points.

 

JASPERGTR

I know you're a nice guy,i've seen many posts of yours.The difference in what i posted is that the lap time 7:04 at the Ring of Uwe Alzen in a 996tt is in a competition in May 2003 Castrol Haugg Cup,that is booked up in that competition...this is not what any magazine thinks of any car.

GTR is a great,great car....there is not need to lunch a car to beat a Porsche to be a great car.GTR is great by itself...doen't need to beat a Porsche.It's the same about Porsche..doesn't need to beat GTR to be a great car.

We all must feel happy and greatfull to have this kind of cars that many,many people in the world wish to have.